Install fc18 from DVD demands network connection

[Bill Davidsen]

Junk wrote:
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> On 24 Jul 2013, at 21:31, Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com> wrote:
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>> Junk wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 11:08 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>>> Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 02:01:43PM -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>>>>> This is back, <sigh> again. Having found out that fedup fails
>>>>>> totally to work on drives with encrypted partitions,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think this is still the case: I did F18->F19 on my laptop
>>>>> (encrypted /home and swap) using fedup and it worked just fine.
>>>> Not sure what you mean by "still the case," it was as of 1PM yesterday when I
>>>> posted, and since it's burned on DVD I doubt it's changes. Some systems refuse
>>>> to install without network.
>>>>
>>>> That was the response I got when I reported the bug before, "Can't reproduce"
>>>> and "WFM" don't cover the ground with anything but a hard fail on all systems.
>>>> And "you must be doing something wrong" really doesn't fit a process which
>>>> consists of "load DVD" followed by "power on." I've been installing Linux since
>>>> it hit usenet in 91 or so, and it works on other systems. It's clearly a Fedora
>>>> bug, does not happen on the same machine with Mint, Ubuntu, or Puppy, and the
>>>> other machine which has this issue installed Slackware fine. Note: after
>>>> installing Slackware the problem went away, installing Ubentu didn't fix the
>>>> machine of interest.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
>>>>     "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
>>>> the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
>>>
>>> Firstly. Calm down. I believe your preconceptions are mostly at issue
>>> here.
>> If you mean the preconception that install from DVD should not need a network connection, that's exactly the issue. After install the upgrade comes from another DVD holding a local repo of common things which have been updated.
>>
>>> The posts you responded to are talking about the fedup over a network
>>> onto an encrypted partition. Not the DVD install. It works but your too
>>> het up on your issue to realise what they are talking about notice.
>> Go back, read my post. I put a DVD into the machine with no network connection to do an install from scratch because fedup didn't work. Clear? My original post was clear that I was doing an install from DVD, and if "they" thought it was something else, I reread my original post and it still seems clear.
>>
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> Re-read the first line of your initial email. The one with the word 'fedup' in it. Are you, or are you not, talking about fedup?
>
The one that says because fedup didn't work I was doing a clean install? That 
seems totally clear to be talking about the clean install.

>> Booted from DVD, did scratch install, system demanded network. Can't say it any clearer than that, can't do it simpler than that. Just as have have done on all the ones which worked.
>>
>> Can't be explained away, if it's user error it wouldn't work on some systems but not all. I've been doing this a decade or two, after the first two fails the rest of the tests were carefully noted step by step, trying things like different filesystem types, reformatting the partitions or not, etc. In no case did I return to trying to use fedup, because after an early attempt the install could not recognize the boot or root partitions in any way.
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>>> Secondly, people are responding to your bugs with "Can't Reproduce"
>>> because they can't. I can't. I've just now set up a machine with no
>>> network card at all and successfully installed Fedora 19 from a DVD.
>>> What makes this all the more fun is that the answer you want is in the
>>> screenshot you posted.
>> Experience tells me that "doesn't happen every time" is not the same as "doesn't happen." No matter what's on that screen, that screen shouldn't come up on install from DVD.
>>
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> Ok. The clear short version. The screenshot you posted. Click continue. The machine installs.
>
Glad it does that for you. Doesn't here, but you have concluded that if it works 
for you there's no problem.

> That screen is not saying network is a requirement for install. But that it is required to get updates once the machine is installed. It gives you an opportunity to get things sorted. You can ignore it.
>
>>> And as Reindl has been getting all the action recently I'll finish with
>>> this.
>>> You, Sir, are what Aristotle would call "a 'tard"
>>>
>>> Now you can get angry again,
>>
>> Don't know what prompted the personal attack, perhaps frustration at not being able to explain the problem, and not convincing me that it isn't a problem?
>>
>> --
>> Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
>>   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
>> the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
>> --
>>
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>
> And thus the case of The Crown versus Davidson was proven.
>
>
> Junk.
>


-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot