good bye -> Fwd: list-moderation -> Re: KDE without gnome-shell?

[Rejy M Cyriac]

On 11/07/2013 10:45 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 04:22:03PM -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Robert Holtzman  wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, the moderator(s) seem to confuse bluntness with rudeness and/or
>>> combatitiveness. For my part, I appreciate bluntness.
>>>
>>
>> Bluntness is often used as a excuse by people who are rude.  It is easy
>> enough to see the difference.  "You are wrong" is blunt but is helpful to
>> suggest how it can be improved.  "You are an idiot" is rude and not really
>> justified in this list even if you good technical expertise and it is
>> against Fedora's code of conduct.  I will leave it as an exercise to reader
>> to figure out which side they stand on.
> 
> The problem, of course, being that idiots seldom appreciate their idiocy
> unless it's pointed out to them.......bluntly.
> 

Who is an idiot ? This is more often than not, very subjective. A novice
user may seem like an idiot to an insensitive expert user. Being rude,
and using expletives in the reply, does not help the Fedora User
community in any way, and on the other hand it may even alienate novice
users. If an expert does not have the patience to deal with a novice
user, it is better not to reply, and to leave it for others with more
patience to help.

> I contend that, as has been previously stated in another post, this
> matter was poorly, clumsily handled.
> 
> 
> 

The person was given advice multiple times, over an extended period of
time, to change the tone of replies to the user community. I believe
that the moderators were very patient with the person, and allowed more
time than usual, on account of his contributions to the Fedora community.

- rejy (rmc)