announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

[poma]

On 02.01.2014 12:13, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 01/02/2014 11:54 AM, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
>>>
>>> A question, I found the following on
>>> <http://akozumpl.github.io/dnf/cli_vs_yum.html>
>>>
>>> "dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel
>>>
>>> In Yum, the running kernel is spared. There is no reason to keep this in
>>> DNF, the user can always specify concrete versions on the command line,
>>> e.g.:
>>>
>>> dnf erase kernel-3.9.4"
>>>
>>> So if I issue 'dnf erase kernel' all kernels will be removed, and I have
>>> no kernel anymore? Is that really a good thing? Should we not spare the
>>> running kernel? Or is there some rationale behind this that I am missing?
>>>
>>> Lars
>>
>> Hi Lars,
>>
>> yes that's the idea. In practice however, a user doesn't type 'dnf erase
>> -y kernel' by accident and we don't feel the need to protect users who
>> really know what they are doing from doing so.
> 
> IMO, you are plain wrong.
> 
> You've never used scripts similar to sth. like this:
> rpm -qa ... | grep ... | yum remove -y
> and never encountered bugs with such scripts?
> 
> IIRC, debian's apt even has blacklists (protected packages) to prevent 
> critical damages.
> 
>> It's the same situation
>> as 'rm -rf /boot' or 'rpm -e --allmatches kernel'.
> No. It is not. Think about non-bootable/broken kernels etc.
> 
> The kernel is a master piece of a package which must be allowed to be 
> installed in multiple instances and of which at least the running 
> instance must not be removed under any circumstances.
> 
>> Of course, people are
>> welcome to write specific plugins to achieve something similar to what
>> Yum used to do.
> You don't really want to know what I think about this - It really pisses 
> me off. You are trying to defend a behavioral regression *you* are 
> reponsible for onto users.

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Fully functional DNF is expected within Fedora XXX, A.D. MMXIX.
Let's be patient!


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