F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

[Lars E. Pettersson]

On 01/02/2014 08:45 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> In the Fedora 19 era it was ~ 30-60 seconds according to systemd-analyze blame. There was a bug on it in the bugzilla which was blocking the "why we boot so slow" tracker for systemd. I think it's since been fixed, not sure, but now that the glory of no sendmail by default is here with Fedora 20 I don't need to think about that bug anymore.

On a Fedora 19 desktop:
27ms sendmail.service

How can 27 or 64 ms to start sendmail be a problem?

> Really? In the whole world of computing you don't see this is a tiny tiny minority use case? It's so small it's not even really an edge case, it fell off the edge years ago. Even if we look at just linux derived systems, no Android system even has root enabled by default, let alone an MTA. It has a modern way of informing me of problems rather than sending me useless spam, without notifications of such.

No, loosing important mails is not a minority use case.

>> How do we solve this problem without an MTA? (cron output lost)
>
> yum install sendmail?

How can we solve the problem without having, or installing, an MTA?

> So you think a majority of users use cron?

You do not have cron installed and running?

> I don't use cron. Probably in five years or so we can have a conversation on it not being installed by default.

Don't think so.

Lars
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