On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 09:07:14 -0500 "Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA" <bobgoodwin at wildblue.net> wrote: found one from the users list. but the problems started going back as far as 2012 in bz's https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-September/440457.html ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com Foud one fro the users list