why do we use systemd?

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 18:10:45 -0700
David Benfell <benfell at parts-unknown.org> wrote:

...snip...

> Then, and only then, did I discover there was even a
> network-online.target. Please understand, the time when things are
> broken is not the time when I  
> want to explore rat holes. As it turned out, this *wasn't* a rat
> hole, but  yet an additional layer of complexity.
> 
> A layer of complexity, by the way, whose purpose has yet to be
> explained,  and which rests on top of all the other complexity that
> others in this  thread have complained about.

Were you tying your services to specific IP addresses? 

I'm curious why this would have changed for you folks so recently.
Was this a bug with systemd-208-19.fc20?

> Which returns us back--and I hope I'm recalling the initial posting
> in this thread correctly--to the beginning of this thread. Do we
> really need this complexity for the sake of a few seconds?

No. We need it for all the other reasons. 

Lennarts blog host seems to be having some problem, but from google
cache: 

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rm-N94-I044J:0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Theres tons and tons of things that systemd does well that there was no
way to do in the sysvinit world. 

> But there's something more insidious about this as well.
> 
> The mantra I learned as a system administrator was, if it ain't
> broken, don't fix it. The message I'm getting from this thread, when
> people point out (correctly, as far as I know) that all the
> distributions are going for the latest greatest shiny thing, is that
> they're abandoning that mantra.

sysvinit was broken and couldn't do lots of things that modern distros
wanted to do. 

kevin
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