Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

[Ian Malone]

On 23 March 2014 15:15, lee <lee at yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:
> Ian Malone <ibmalone at gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 21 March 2014 15:19, lee <lee at yun.yagibdah.de> wrote:



> And I don`t want a "minimalist system" either.  That is very different
> from not wanting things I don`t need or don`t want.
>
> Think of cinelerra, for example.  I suppose if you don`t want a
> "minimalistic system", you won`t want to have it.  I want to have it and
> want to simply install a package that provides it.
>
> Think of fvwm: You may think it`s a "minimalistic" window manager.  It
> is not, it`s actually the most powerful and most versatile WM I have
> ever seen, and it`s easy to configure to do exactly what you want.  Do
> you know of any other WM that even comes close?  I`ve used it about
> twenty years ago and tried many others in between and I came back to it
> simply because there is nothing better.  It`s the opposite, if there`s
> such a thing, of "minimalistic".
>
> Think of emacs: You may also think it`s "minimalistic", and when you
> look closer, you may find it`s the opposite.  I have used it about
> twenty years ago and many other editors in between, and I came back to
> it: There is nothing better.  (I don`t get along with vi.)
>

There is no-one on the planet who thinks emacs is minimalistic (and
yes I use it fairly extensively, but only because I work a lot with
systems where a good IDE would not help). With this and all your other
examples you are talking about individual pieces of software. But what
I mean is you've said you want specific things on the system that are
not what other people would want and things they want are not what you
want. On the Venn diagram of what's included in an install that makes
life difficult.

> Think LaTeX: You may think it`s "minimalistic" compared to
> Libreoffice.

I don't, we both seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what
each other thinks, but I've tried to base mine on what you've said.

> wasn`t anything better.  There still isn`t --- and the LaTeX sources
> from back then can still be worked with and printed with no problem.  I
> still have them.

Provided they only use packages that are compatible with the TeX
distro you've got available.

> I don`t know what would be better than packages.  I wish there were more
> packages and am only saying it`s too difficult to make them.  Perhaps
> there`s good reason for it, perhaps it can be made easier.  Someone who
> knows how to make them might be able to tell.
>

Ultimately writing a basic spec file is pretty simple, if you can do
the configure-make-install cycle it should be straightforward enough.

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imalone
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