is it the future?

Rick Stevens ricks at alldigital.com
Tue Sep 23 00:50:00 UTC 2014


On 09/22/2014 05:27 PM, jd1008 issued this missive:
>
> On 09/22/2014 04:59 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> Richard Hughes wrote:
>>> On 9 September 2014 08:55, Balint Szigeti <balint.szgt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Maybe I have watched too many films...
>>>
>>> Yes, you have. If you don't like the direction systemd is taking then
>>> please install one of the BSD's and stop the discussion on this user
>>> list. Thanks.
>>>
>> Spoken like a true fascist, Richard. I checked the duty roster and
>> it's not your week to be God, either.
>>
>> I agree that systemd is totally failing at its original direction, and
>> note that it has delayed migration to newer RHEL versions due to the
>> need to find budget for sysadmin training. That said, I am not
>> claiming that it has not use, just that it addresses (some say
>> creates) problems many sites don't have.
>>
>> If RHEL7 allows, systemd will be removed and sysvinit installed rather
>> than do that. There are a lot of sysvinit packages there, I suspect
>> they will do the job. Pushing the init migration out another five
>> years will let people skip systemd and go to the next big thing
>> (possibly fatsock from CMU, however they do odd capitalization). Like
>> many things it is a huge server solution fitted awkwardly to medium
>> servers, introducing a high complexity to benefit ratio.
>>
> While I agree with you Bill in principe, I am always reminded that
> Fedora is
> primarily for creating and testing new ideas.
> Scant few, serious medium to large scale business servers, use Fedora
> due to
> unexpected changes that would break the sysadmin's scripts or customary
> ways
> of doing things.
> So, yeah... fedora assumes it's users are it's guinea pigs :)

The danger here is that Fedora generally becomes RHEL (and thus CentOS)
at some point. As I said before, systemd is a silly, convoluted,
bloated, overly-complex solution to a problem that never existed.
Reboots aren't that common (certainly not on the server side of things)
and trying to parallelize a rare operation is sort of a waste of the
developers' time. I do wish they'd stop addressing exceptions rather
than the more common day-to-day stuff.
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