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Right - I think I might start looking at Ubuntu!

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> On 17 Jan 2015, at 14:10, poma <pomidorabelisima at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 17.01.2015 12:54, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
>>> On Friday 16 January 2015 16:31:03 Gordon Messmer wrote:
>>>> On 01/15/2015 11:28 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
>>>> Selinux requires at least basic knowledge and administration. Most of
>>>> the people I installed Linux for didn't even know it was there or what
>>>> it's good for.
>>> 
>>> If you do not use file system permissions for something useful,
>>> chmod -R a+w /
>>> 
>>> File system permissions require at least basic knowledge and
>>> administration.  Most of the people I installed Linux for don't even
>>> know what they're good for.
>>> 
>>> If your computer is single-user anyway, why does it need a security
>>> subsystem?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *eyeroll*
>> Having watched this debate I find I must add my own 10c
>> I have spent over 30 years working on unix systems starting with xenix, bsd 
>> and ending up with linux .....
>> We survived quite happily using the well known DAC methods of standard UNIX.
>> (UGO - RWX - setuid etc).
>> Then I worked on some military systems (high security stuff) and started to use 
>> SOLARIS CMW (Compartentalised Mode Workstation) and DEC MLS (Multi-Level-
>> Security).
>> These both use the same (probably not as up to date) MAC security via 
>> labelling as (I guess) selinux.
>> I can truthfully say I loved UNIX in all its forms until coming across CMW & 
>> MLS and now SELINUX - then basically - I wanted OUT!.
>> They are horrendous; if you start to use labelling in earnest - absolutely 
>> suicidal!!! - unless you have a real motive - ie you work for the security 
>> services or a bank or something  and have a massive amount of time to devote.
>> Why do the selinux guys have to force MAC onto all linux users - even 
>> hobbyists?
>> Its getting like some kind of religion!
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> Andy
> 
> 
> Perhaps it's more pragmatic, something like
> Free feEDback frOm useRs Arangement
> F      ED       O     R  A
> by Red Hat for the purposes of RHEL,
> and there lies a profit, right.
> 
> Without it, maybe you could say Grsecurity is optimal model for Fedora.
> 
> 
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