End of 32-bit support?

[poma]

On 29.01.2015 14:52, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 06:00:28PM +0100, poma wrote:
>> On 28.01.2015 17:17, Matthew Miller wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 08:37:59AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>>>>> Hatters, or from Red Hatters working in their spare time. (Of course,
>>>>> as RH often does, many of the high-output contributors end up applying
>>>>> for and getting RH jobs, skewing the picture.)
>>>> Well, I am observing quite a few people from major enterprises (RH
>>>> business partners?) who are working on secondary archtectures, but
>>>> I've very rarely (I don't recall any such incident) tripped over
>>>> community folks who are working on them.
>>>
>>> Sometimes Red Hat business partners, but that doesn't mean that it's at
>>> Red Hat's direction. Overall, this is one of the few areas where we
>>> have money and paid effort flowing into the project that *isn't* coming
>>> from Red Hat, and I don't think that's a bad thing. These are
>>> "community folks" too, at least if we're doing it right.
>>>
>>>>> Additionally, I'm not privy to Red Hat's architecture strategy, but as
>>>>> far as I know, 32 bit ARM — currently our only primary non-x86 arch! — is
>>>>> not of particular corporate interest.
>>>> It's obvious to me the aarch64 is RH's business interest.
>>>
>>> But aarch64 and 32-bit arm are _completely_ different architectures.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I also think it's a little unfair to frame this as a conflict, overall.
>>>>> It may be the case that Red Hat is less interested in paying people to
>>>>> work on 32-bit x86 (although I don't actually know that to be a fact).
>>>>> But this is just like any other contributor to the community — you
>>>>> can't make people do work they're not interested in.
>>>> Right, but that's not my point:
>>>> My points are:
>>>> - I once more feel pushed/tossed around by RH's interest and
>>>> RH-Fedora-people who obviously don't properly separate RH and
>>>> Community.
>>>
>>> I can't argue with feelings, but I also am not really sure what
>>> separation you're looking for here and how it would affect this.
>>>
>>>> - Support for i386 falls out as a by-product at almost Zero-costs of
>>>> the existing process.
>>>
>>> I don't think that's true at all. It signficantly increases QA load,
>>> and we're struggling a lot with release engineering being able to cope
>>> with Fedora at its current scale. Cutting back here has an clear
>>> benefit (whether or not it's significant enough to outweigh the other
>>> wide isn't settled, of course). More significantly, the Fedora kernel
>>> team tells me that _they_ don't feel like they have the resources to
>>> really honestly support the 32-bit kernel — and the rest all falls out
>>> from that.
>>>
>>
>> You write as if you - Fedora/Red Hat lack people capable of
>> maintaining the kernel as if it were something special - they are
>> not kernel developers.  What Josh works except to maintains the
>> kernel?
> 
> I can't parse this last sentence correctly.  Are you asking what Josh
> does other than maintain the kernel?  Or are you asking something else?
> 

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Fedora kernel position 	[Jan. 27th, 2015|10:22 am]

As you might have seen Paul blog about, Red Hat has an immediate opening for a Fedora kernel maintainer position on my team. This is actually a fairly rare thing, as we don't have a lot of churn in our department and most of the engineering positions we hire for are primarily RHEL roles. If you have kernel experience and love working on fast-paced and frequently updated kernels, then this might be a good role for you.

The job writeup is accurate in terms of what we expect, but it is also kind of broad. That is primarily because the role is too. Yesterday davej wrote a bit about how working on a Fedora kernel is like getting a 10,000ft view of everything. It's actually a really good analogy, and Dave would know as he did it longer than anyone. We deal with a lot of varied issues, on an even more varied set of hardware. This isn't a traditional development job. Being curious and willing to learn is key to enjoying a distro kernel maintainer role.

That being said, we're also looking at ways to make a bigger impact both upstream and in Fedora itself. Filling this position is a key part of that and I'm excited to see how it plays out. If you're interested in it, please don't hesitate to send me questions via email or on IRC. Also be sure to apply via the online job posting here:

http://jobs.redhat.com/jobs/descriptions/fedora-kernel-engineer-westford-massachusetts-job-1-5076703