F21: Thunderbird insists on calling Fedora list messages junk!

[William]

On 07/28/2015 05:25 PM, William wrote:
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>
> On 07/28/2015 02:17 PM, William wrote:
>> Good afternoon,
>>
>> On 07/23/2015 03:00 PM, William wrote:
>>> Good afternoon,
>>>
>>> Most messages received from this fedora list are labelled junk by 
>>> Thunderbird.  This is even though I whitelisted "From" = 
>>> "users-request at lists.fedoraproject.org".  Actually, I have this 
>>> problem both in my Fedora-21 and my windows-7 systems. Any ideas? 
>>> Surely messages from this list are not junk!
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Bill.
>>
>> My original message was vague; my apologies.  The Fedora list 
>> messages were not being put into the "Bulk Mail" folder. Rather, they 
>> were being flagged with a little "flame" symbol in the inbox table of 
>> contents, and between the message header and the message body.  
>> Clicking the "Not Junk" button clears that flame symbol, but it 
>> reappears again shortly after.  Also, not all fedora list messages 
>> are flagged with the flame symbol; but most are.  I see no pattern as 
>> to which are and which are not.
>>
>> > Seriously, I've gotten rid of that issue by whitelisting any message
>> > where the To: field contains users at lists.fedoraproject.org and haven't
>> > had one drop into the Junk folder since.
>>
>> Thank-you.
>>
>> I tried that.  No change; same behavior.  It also doesn't matter when 
>> I set the filter to be run.  I checked for other user filters; there 
>> are none.  I have several e-mail accounts in Thunderbird, but this 
>> problem shows up only for Fedora list messages, and only in the one 
>> e-mail account that I use for the Fedora list.  If I recall 
>> correctly, this problem started showing up in late spring.  Is anyone 
>> else seeing this behavior?  Is there something in the Fedora list 
>> message headers that is bugging Thunderbird's spam-checking code, and 
>> can be adjusted?  This seems to not be a Thunderbird issue and not a 
>> Fedora issue, but a Fedora list issue.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Bill.
>
> > Try this: remove the filter completely and close the list of filters.
> > Then, reopen the list and create a new filter, giving it a different
> > name and typing in the email address from scratch instead of using
> > Copy/Paste.  It sounds a tad heavy-handed, but there's a possibility
> > that there's a non-printing character stuck in there that's fscking
> > things up.
>
> Thank-you Joe.  I tried what you suggested.  No change.  I also tried 
> deleting *all* the filters, exiting Thunderbird, and re-launching 
> Thunderbird.  Still the same behavior.  But it sure seemed like a good 
> theory.
>
> I raised this issue because it is unique to the Fedora list, though I 
> experience the problem in both Fedora-21 and Windows-7. I gather from 
> everyone else's silence that I'm the only person experiencing the 
> problem.  If I really am the only person affected, we can drop this; 
> it's just a rather minor nuisance.
>
> Bill.

Rick Stevens said:
 > In Thunderbird, go to:
 >
 >    Edit->Account Settings
 >
 > Select the "Junk Settings" item under the account you're concerned with,
 > then click on the "Global Junk Preferences" button. In the next window,
 > select the "Junk" tab, then click on the "Reset Training Data" button.
 > You've just wiped out any junk training Thunderbird client has.
 >
 > When you get new mail, the system won't tag anything as junk unless you
 > click on the "Junk" button. Eventually you'll retrain Thunderbird.
 >
 > I also have the "Do not automatically mark mail as junk if the sender is
 > in:....Personal Address Book" section of the "Junk Settings" for my
 > account and I've added this list's address in my address book.

Thank-you Rick.  I tried those things, both in Fedora and in Windows.  
After doing those things, I completely exited Thunderbird and 
re-launched.  No change!  Thunderbird keeps on flagging most messages 
from this group, and only messages from this group, as junk!  ...even 
after I click the "Not Junk" button or use "Message > Mark > As Not Junk".

Bill.