"Default" spin of Fedora

[Juan Camilo Prada]

On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 17:11 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Juan Camilo Prada <juankprada at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 16:30 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Juan Camilo Prada <juankprada at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > By selecting one single media as the official one we are not excluding
> >> > anyone from using fedora... if we happen to choose the more user
> >> > friendly media (probably Desktop Live Media imo) new users will find it
> >> > very easy to use fedora, and most experienced users... well they already
> >> > know what they want so they will head to get-fedora section and download
> >> > the media :)
> >>
> >> I think Fedora + "user friendly" is a lost cause. Making decisions
> >> based on that is a wasted effort.
> >> Furthermore, I see no evidence to believe that "desktop live media" is
> >> any more user friendly than "* media"
> >
> > Please be sure to reply to the list and not to my email :)
> 
> Sorry, thought the list defaulted to reply to list
> 
> > And I disagree... Even if fedora is not for newbies and as stated by
> > paul its for enthusiast, we dont have to make it harder for new users
> > who want to join us to get the media just to start knowing what fedora
> > is all about.... by providing an easy to use install media we can make
> > fedora easy for new enthusiast to join (again i still think Desktop live
> > media is the best choice... but that doesnt mean im right)
> 
> Please explain how adding more visible options directly equates to
> making harder.

Take into a count we are not removing any option not hidding them...
just not highlighting them in the front page. Also by providing many
options a new user would get confused on where to start... by showing
them "this is the simple way to try fedora" we will try to ensure that a
new user will have a glad experience in the website in terms of them
getting what they want which in this case would be "get fedora".

I know you wont have any trouble identifying the spin you want to
download, but a new user is another story. Not so many time ago i faced
the problem of selecting a media when i started with fedora and I
noticed that by showing me many spins each of them with many arch types
confused me, i didnt know which one would be the best one for me. 

> 
> > The thing is not about which one we will be supporting or not... again..
> > all other spins will still be shown and all of them will be available to
> > download from get-fedora section or from spins.fedoraproject.org
> > (depending on the media). By having a one click download button at the
> > front page we are only suggesting... "hey this is the easiest way to get
> > fedora... click here ant try it out" AND NOT "this IS fedora and any
> > other spin/version wont be supported anymore".
> 
> What about the people who "one click" expecting to get KDE on the media?
> 

it would be two or three clicks away... again imho is not something that
hard to do. Gnome is the official desktop provided by fedora so it makes
sense to promote the gnome based spin (dont flame this ml because of
this) 

> > Experienced users already know what they want, and so it will be very
> > easy for them to just click on a "more options here..." link or click in
> > the "get-fedora" link on the navigation bar to the left to get the media
> 
> You have to be pretty experienced with Fedora already to know that
> "Fedora Desktop Live Media' includes only one desktop env. and that it
> is Gnome.
> 

If you know what Desktop environment you are looking for then you are
certainly not a new user (probably new to fedora) but not to linux and
so as you know what you are looking for you will be heading to the
get-fedora section. 

If you dont know what desktop environment you want then any will be ok
(if you dont know where you are going any road works for you). By
providing the gnome based livecd for x86 we would probably get many of
the new users to try fedora and have a good experience with it, it works
on x86 and x86_64 archs so we would get the most out of that spin, also
using gnome, as i said would be the logic thing to do as it is the
official one (I want to clarify that i have nothing against KDE)