A clarification about Fedora-it.org

[Robert Mayr]

Stefano Mainardi <stefano at twinbit.it> ha scritto:

> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Mario Santagiuliana <fedora at marionline.it>
>>
>> Just a little reply...maybe this thing should be discuss on fedora
>> ambassadors mailing list...
>> It should much great to work with existing and active Italian fedora
>> ambassadors and not with single person that don't collaborate with other
>> people or other teams.
>>
>
> Dear Mario, I do not think this is the place to have a discussion with
> these tones, as shareable, I do not think that others are interested in
> reading these boring things.

+1

>> I prefer, and I think users prefer too, to see one specific local and
>> "official" community portal.
>>
>
> I believe he was told there was no distinction between official and local?
> Or am I wrong.

No, you're perfectly right. There is no official local community,  
there exist only strong and unified communities which have become a  
sort of officiality in the end-user view, but nothing more.

> What users will prefer them to decide, I do not think you can take
> arbitrarily the right to say what users prefer, it is not a democratic
> reasoning.

+1

> I am really disappointed to view this request from Stefano Mainardi and
>> Antonio Trande. They don't really collaborate with existing Italian Fedora
>> community...and with Italian Fedora Ambassadors. I and other Italian Fedora
>> Ambassadors read this request from fedora-website mailing list and not from
>> a discussion in our team.
>>
>
> For me personally do not collaborate with the various ambassadors, but I
> know exactly that different users who attend "Fedora-it" have been very
> active in the "official" community.
>
> I've done in the past, but I follow and actively collaborate with other
> open-source projects, I say this to clarify my position with you, if you
> need to clear ideas about me. Even a simple Google search might help.
>
> I hope fedoraproject collaborator could understand my point of view and my
>> English...I am fed up to see division and not collaboration in Italian
>> country. I am fed up to see works of people for a not clarify personal
>> ending instead of community benefit.
>>
>> For me is not correct to give more evidence to a new little portal build
>> from a commercial company (twinbit) without asking collaboration or at
>> least an opinion from existing Italian Fedora community.
>>
>
> There are many inaccuracies in your personal conclusions, some really
> biased.
>
> First of all Twinbit does not own the domain and not affiliated in any way
> the network of portals ILDN. Twinbit is the company of which I am a member,
> who developed the new portals based on Drupal, for free. Nobody gets the
> money from these activities.
>
> ILDN is a nonprofit association that has existed since 2004, and we have a
> long history of activity that I would not be here to remind you, but you
> can again go looking for doing simple searches on Google.
>
> But I'd like to remind you of how "Fedoraonline" was born as a clone of
> "Fedoraitalia" (the current "Fedora-it") and in terms of CMS used, both in
> terms of graphics, when the only Italian portal Fedora was dedicated to
> what was to ILDN.
>
> I remember that we tried the road of cooperation, but without success,
> remember that in those days were in agreement that having two portals was
> not a reason why users might be confused, why today you have changed ideas
> about this?
>
> I also like to remember that when "Fedoraitalia" was closed for reasons
> internal to ILDN, Fedoraonline was the backup of "salvation" for users who
> were left without a supportive community.
>
> Fedora-it is an historical  project of ILDN, and do not see why this
> hostility in a parallel project to yours, there is room for everyone on the
> Internet.
>
> We absolutely do not care to have the voice of "official" status, users
> tend to not care about these things, users are looking for answers to their
> problems and seek people willing to help, and seek quality material.
> Our goal is simply to give support even Fedora which is a huge project, and
> we picked up a project born in 2004, and not make war with anyone, this is
> clear.

Lets do something for the end-users of Fedora, it's the best thing we can do.

> Cheers.
> --
>
> Stefano Mainardi
> *Twinbit Founder

Cheers

Robert Mayr
robyduck
www.fedoraonline.it