Johannes Lips johannes.lips at
Sun May 12 16:29:02 UTC 2013

Raphael Groner wrote:
>> If I remember correctly the last time we discussed this the reason
>> for leaving Java, was that it's often not really obvious what's
>> missing, when something fails. So I think back then we opted for
>> leaving Java on the spin and removed some application packages.
>> I would perhaps rather go for a totally different target size.
>> Johannes
> IMHO, we should work on the user experience, and not focus mainly on the
> (technical) image size. As said, in case of missing java, there should
> be a good user help with how to install java afterwards, if it's
> *really* needed. I don't see any reason so far why it's needed for any
> standard application??
> And well, why keep java and remove firefox? I don't understand...
Well, you obviously see that firefox is not installed and then can just 
install it.
If Java is not installed it's not so obvious.
> -R.
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