Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert at
Sun May 12 22:42:32 UTC 2013

Am Sonntag, den 12.05.2013, 17:28 +0200 schrieb Raphael Groner:
> > If I remember correctly the last time we discussed this the reason
> > for leaving Java, was that it's often not really obvious what's
> > missing, when something fails. So I think back then we opted for
> > leaving Java on the spin and removed some application packages.
> > I would perhaps rather go for a totally different target size.
> > 
> > Johannes
> IMHO, we should work on the user experience, and not focus mainly on the
> (technical) image size. As said, in case of missing java, there should
> be a good user help with how to install java afterwards, if it's
> *really* needed. I don't see any reason so far why it's needed for any
> standard application??
> And well, why keep java and remove firefox? I don't understand...

Because we have two browsers, but only one Java runtime. Plus (as
Johannes already explained), one is obvious to install, the other not so

Best regards,

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