[Ambassadors] ambassadors Digest, Vol 94, Issue 19
Xavier Naldo
xm4nfedoralinux at gmail.com
Mon Mar 29 04:41:20 UTC 2010
Just for replies to this issue. I try not to assume someone is something and
speak before I THINK (e.g. lets say, if I was an ambassador.) Also spotty
research does not account for full facts. Sometimes we get in the way and
research the items that WE want and present them as if they are final
product. I think one must google first (as what was said earlier). Just
stating out facts (or more like opinions in this matter) in the previous
message does nothing more to credit. Taking it to heart about a person
showing a specific sign with the hand is just plain, in my opinion, stupid.
And doing research on that is really a waste of time, because in a more
general humanistic approach, we really dont care. And for the people who do
care, that is a SMALL and Negligible portion, and not a whole population.
The very best advice is really NOT to advise others on how to be
constructive and back up with scientific work, That is just plain ignorant
and to others it may feel like that is a "stuck up" statement, not to
mention that in normal and "everyday" conversations, it is NOT practical. Oh
by responding to this message and then potentially accusing me of trolling
will be grounds for other adverse "effects". To some people this whole
conversation looks like two guys who are "smarty pants" are battling it out.
If statements from the message I am responding to were to be said to O.G.'s
or gangsters or "ghetto" people, then who ever said it would be shot on the
spot (trust me, I've seen it happened, since I was part of a gang). Those
statements in the message I am responding to were so identical to that
person who got shot. To be simple here, putting all this research into a
simple hand gesture is really fruitless. We are everyday people. Like the
old saying goes, "DONT SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF!" I can attest to my previous
employment. This guy was the CEO of his business and he said statements just
like the ones in the message I am responding to. That shows his attitude
stinks and is stuck up. Well, to make a long story short, his business did
not make any cash flow and ran out of money to pay employees (including me).
He had to shut down business all because he was STUCK UP and WAS TOO NARROW
MINDED AND DID NOT LISTEN TO OTHERS and said the EXACT or close to exact
statements and had the exact same attitude about the statements of the
message I am responding to. He thinks he knows it all but in the end, really
sunk in a black hole. I feel sorry for him and its just sad when people like
that have to learn the hard way.
To respond to me with an equal attack will also be considered trolling too.
Hey we are all free to express opinion and facts. Its a free country.
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:54:04 +0100
> From: Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt>
> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] ambassadors Digest, Vol 94, Issue 16
> To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
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> On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 13:44 -0500, Xavier Naldo wrote:
> > SUBJECT: Re: Contents of ambassadors digest...
> >
> >
> > Just to correct ill-informed minds, I was never an ambassador in the
> > first place. So we can happily dispose of the statement from whoever
> > stated it.
>
> It's not ill-minded. It's a concern that people around Marketing have
> and I can provide solid information, better, scientific production work
> regarding the usage of symbology in communication and it's importance.
>
> > Just like one of our friends has pointed out, the last picture on the
> > bottom of the flyer with the dude on the far right with the thumb and
> > pinky finger extended outwards does NOT represent O.G. or Original
> > Gangster.
>
> Really? Google for it.
>
> > I am not sure in other cultures/countries, but here in the good 'ole
> > USA, that picture does NOT show any signs of O.G. It means good luck
> > and ride high and good waves!! So lets drop this issue and move on.
>
> Unnecessary information and not accurate information. That symbolize has
> a name provided before and some recognized cultural associations with
> it, from satanism to urban myths. So please try to be constructive, this
> is not a private hype, it's something that really matters and that is
> described in Marketing Management Scientific Production Work for ages,
> for further information, please check Philip Kotler's Marketing
> Management, I would recommend the 12th Edition, or any other scientific
> database like ABN/Inform.
>
> > Probably a more productive way to address this in the first place
> > would be to first advise the marketing team, instead of the whole
> > mailing list.....I'm just saying my 2 cents :)
>
> OK, then I will inform the Marketing List one more time regarding this.
> And for your information as posted before, I had already submitted a
> document with a simple communication matrix that clearly points the
> evaluation of cultural differences towards international
> audiences/communities or special localized minorities.
>
> Before considering calling me a "ill-minded" person, you should clearly
> focus and backup your attack with at least scientific production work.
> If not, I'll brand such as trolling.
>
> -- my personal 2 cents.
>
> >
> >
> >
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> > 1. Marketing flyers (Zoltan Hoppar)
> > 2. Re: Marketing flyers (Pierros Papadeas)
> > 3. Re: Marketing flyers (Jukka Palander)
> > 4. Re: Marketing flyers (wonderer)
> > 5. Re: ambassadors Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 (Nelson Marques)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:52:54 +0200
> > From: Zoltan Hoppar <hopparz at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Ambassadors] Marketing flyers
> > To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > Message-ID:
> > <2f3d0f331003280552tdce1ena8b6938b0b9a6aac at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have an a question: this page [1] contains an general flyer
> > about Fedora.
> >
> > Is it possible to have it somehow editable / translatable
> > format?
> >
> >
> > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_Fedora_flyer
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:00:05 +0300
> > From: Pierros Papadeas <ppapadeas at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Marketing flyers
> > To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
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> > <21461b361003280600q7c38ef3fj7e4b5d136fed57cd at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > 2010/3/28 Zoltan Hoppar <hopparz at gmail.com>:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have an a question: this page [1] contains an general
> > flyer about Fedora.
> > >
> > > Is it possible to have it somehow editable / translatable
> > format?
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_Fedora_flyer
> >
> > Hi Zoltan!
> >
> > I made those version independent flyers and you can have them
> > in
> > editable .odt format from the link on the wiki.
> >
> > I suggest you update them a little, mainly on two points :
> >
> > * New mailing list
> > * Current "edge" features
> >
> > Let me know if you need anything more :)
> >
> > ~?
> >
> > --
> > Pierros Papadeas
> > PGP key: 0x6130DBF8
> > http://pierros.papadeas.gr
> > pierros at papadeas.gr
> > liknus @ GRnet , Freenode
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:04:19 +0200
> > From: Jukka Palander <jukka at devspain.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Marketing flyers
> > To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > Message-ID: <1269785059.2341.8.camel at localhost.localdomain>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Great job. It is important to have those flyers, but I have
> > just one
> > more thing to put in consideration here.
> >
> > Why don't we say more clearly that Fedora is alternative to
> > Windows or
> > Mac OS?
> >
> > People might get bit confused if we just say it is an
> > operating system
> > based on Linux. There are a huge group of people out there who
> > does not
> > understand what is an operating system. They know Windows and
> > they may
> > know Mac or Linux (as one system), but they are not familiar
> > with Fedora
> > brand/"trade-mark".
> >
> > I think we should say more clearly the whole thing. Like:
> >
> > "Fedora Linux OS" or "Linux Fedora OS".
> >
> > Also I think we should say everywhere that it is _free_
> > alternative to
> > Windows and OSX. I think this is the only way to get Fedora
> > more known
> > within "ordinary" and "non-tech" people.
> >
> > --
> > Jukka
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 14:52 +0200, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have an a question: this page [1] contains an general
> > flyer about
> > > Fedora.
> > >
> > > Is it possible to have it somehow editable / translatable
> > format?
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_Fedora_flyer
> > >
> > > --
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:39:14 +0200
> > From: wonderer <wonderer4711 at gmx.de>
> > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Marketing flyers
> > To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > Message-ID: <4BAF6A12.40103 at gmx.de>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Am 28.03.2010 15:00, schrieb Pierros Papadeas:
> > > 2010/3/28 Zoltan Hoppar <hopparz at gmail.com>:
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> I have an a question: this page [1] contains an general
> > flyer about Fedora.
> > >>
> > >> Is it possible to have it somehow editable / translatable
> > format?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_Fedora_flyer
> > >>
> > > Hi Zoltan!
> > >
> > > I made those version independent flyers and you can have
> > them in
> > > editable .odt format from the link on the wiki.
> > >
> > ... and I took the English Version and translated it to german
> > and
> > pasted it into the wiki.
> > I know its maybe a little bit to late for the actual ongoing
> > FAD in
> > M?nchengladbach, my apologies, but hopefully it can be used on
> > some
> > upcoming events.
> > My only change other then translating it was to change the
> > Mailinglist
> > URL. Other suggestions are welcome.
> >
> >
> > mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards
> > Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org
> >
> > PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6 3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:52:08 +0100
> > From: Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt>
> > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] ambassadors Digest, Vol 94, Issue
> > 12
> > To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > Message-ID: <1269787928.2283.0.camel at localhost>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> >
> > Thank you for your expertise on this as a former gang member
> > and Fedora
> > Ambassador.
> >
> > I rest my case.
> >
> > nmarques
> >
> > On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 04:08 -0500, Xavier Naldo wrote:
> > > In regards to message 7 and onwards, listen, who cares about
> > what the
> > > meanings of the page on release notes are. Its jt plain
> > marketing and
> > > these discussions are too political. There is no way to be
> > that
> > > neutral and try not to offend everyone. This is an
> > international
> > > distro and who cares about what the photos mean or words
> > mean. it just
> > > plain fun to see the advertising page and when I looked at
> > it, I dont
> > > see anything wrong with it. So please, enough of the
> > political
> > > interpretations and lets just move forward to the real
> > topics at hand,
> > > by the way, I was in a gang and none of these things are
> > ever remotely
> > > associated with O.G., ok? I know what ganstas are so please
> > this
> > > release page DOES NOT have any associations of it!!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:37 PM,
> > > <ambassadors-request at lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Re: calling for backup (Pierros Papadeas)
> > > 2. Re: calling for backup (Felix Kaechele)
> > > 3. REPORT - Open Fest 2010 (Pierros Papadeas)
> > > 4. Re: calling for backup (Neville A. Cross)
> > > 5. Re: calling for backup (David Nalley)
> > > 6. Re: calling for backup (Neville A. Cross)
> > > 7. Re: FYI Fedora 12 one page release notes. :)
> > (Nelson
> > > Marques)
> > > 8. Re: FYI Fedora 12 one page release notes. :)
> > (Mathieu
> > > Bridon)
> > > 9. Re: FYI Fedora 12 one page release notes. :)
> > (Neville A.
> > > Cross)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 14:01:40 +0200
> > > From: Pierros Papadeas <ppapadeas at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] calling for backup
> > > To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > > Message-ID:
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > 2010/3/27 Larry Cafiero <larry.cafiero at gmail.com>:
> > > > Max --
> > > >
> > > > Sounds good to me, and I don't have any amendments
> > to make.
> > > Let me know if I
> > > > can join the rotation.
> > > >
> > > > Larry Cafiero
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Max Spevack
> > > <mspevack at redhat.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Today seems like a good day to write this blog
> > > post. ?Interested to hear
> > > >> people's feedback.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://spevack.livejournal.com/103305.html
> > > >>
> > > >> --Max
> > >
> > > Max,
> > >
> > > This sounds like a fun-yet-important thing to do for
> > the
> > > Fedora Project :)
> > > I am interested too in joining the rotation.
> > >
> > > Possibly we could also divide the
> > time-money-responsibilities
> > > into the
> > > 4 regional FADs and FUDCON leaders. This way we
> > could have
> > > better
> > > results, as one "global guy" cannot "feel" each
> > regional
> > > community as
> > > a "regional guy" could do.
> > >
> > > Then again the "4-regions" division could be like
> > > fragmentation of the
> > > global community. How about a guy for NA and LATAM,
> > and
> > > another guy
> > > for EMEA and APAC ?
> > > This seems like a nice idea, as NA and LATAM have
> > many things
> > > in
> > > common, just like EMEA and APAC (culture, proximity,
> > less
> > > travel
> > > expenses etc)
> > >
> > > What do you thing?
> > >
> > > ~?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Pierros Papadeas
> > > PGP key: 0x6130DBF8
> > > http://pierros.papadeas.gr
> > > pierros at papadeas.gr
> > > liknus @ GRnet , Freenode
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:47:26 +0100
> > > From: Felix Kaechele <felix at fetzig.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] calling for backup
> > > To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > > Message-ID: <4BADFE5E.8080208 at fetzig.org>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > > I think this is really interesting. I too would like
> > to join
> > > the rotation :D
> > > Maybe it would be good to have two people doing this
> > as a
> > > team. Ideally
> > > they would be in different timezones so just in case
> > someone
> > > needs some
> > > attention by either one of those guys there always
> > is at least
> > > one guy
> > > available to talk to.
> > >
> > > --Felix
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:20:24 +0200
> > > From: Pierros Papadeas <ppapadeas at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: [Ambassadors] REPORT - Open Fest 2010
> > > To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > > Message-ID:
> > >
> > >
> > <21461b361003270720j7c4f4845m1c743b7e7acc3e09 at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7
> > >
> > > Hello my fellow Ambassadors!
> > >
> > > Last weekend we had a nice event here in Athens [1]
> > and Fedora
> > > was
> > > there with a great Booth and many people :)
> > >
> > > Needless to say, we had the best booth and presence
> > as a
> > > community
> > > there and we attracted many newcomers especially
> > with our
> > > Translation
> > > Marathon for Fedora 13 during the event.
> > > On the wiki page [2] you can find some
> > blogposts-reports on
> > > the event
> > > and this [3] nice gallery of photos from our
> > presence there.
> > >
> > > We had a dual-projector setup with many swag (mostly
> > produced
> > > by us)
> > > and some nice little ideas (like "Try me!" signs)
> > >
> > > Many thanks to all the Greek fellows, that helped
> > the Fedora
> > > be on its
> > > best one more time :)
> > >
> > > Next target for Fedora Greek Community is FossComm
> > 2010 [4]
> > > (we
> > > started organizing already [5]) which is the biggest
> > foss
> > > event in
> > > Greece and we are more than sure that it's going to
> > be a
> > > fabulous
> > > appearance of Fedora there with many new persons
> > helping out.
> > >
> > > ~?
> > >
> > > [1] http://openfest.teipir.gr
> > > [2]
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/OpenFest_2010
> > > [3]
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/saliyath/OpenfestAthens2010
> > > [4] http://fosscomm.gr
> > > [5]
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Fosscomm2010
> > >
> > > --
> > > Pierros Papadeas
> > > PGP key: 0x6130DBF8
> > > http://pierros.papadeas.gr
> > > pierros at papadeas.gr
> > > liknus @ GRnet , Freenode
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:49:41 -0400
> > > From: "Neville A. Cross" <nacross at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] calling for backup
> > > To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > > Message-ID:
> > >
> > >
> > <f1706c1e1003270749q78e97befsf0c3fca424bb09d8 at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7
> > >
> > > 2010/3/27 Pierros Papadeas <ppapadeas at gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > This sounds like a fun-yet-important thing to do
> > for the
> > > Fedora Project :)
> > > > I am interested too in joining the rotation.
> > > >
> > > > Possibly we could also divide the
> > > time-money-responsibilities into the
> > > > 4 regional FADs and FUDCON leaders. This way we
> > could have
> > > better
> > > > results, as one "global guy" cannot "feel" each
> > regional
> > > community as
> > > > a "regional guy" could do.
> > > >
> > > > Then again the "4-regions" division could be like
> > > fragmentation of the
> > > > global community. How about a guy for NA and
> > LATAM, and
> > > another guy
> > > > for EMEA and APAC ?
> > > > This seems like a nice idea, as NA and LATAM have
> > many
> > > things in
> > > > common, just like EMEA and APAC (culture,
> > proximity, less
> > > travel
> > > > expenses etc)
> > > >
> > > > What do you thing?
> > > >
> > > > ~?
> > > >
> > >
> > > I agree with Pierros, fun and important. I have to
> > add that
> > > it is
> > > also a challenging position as may require deal we
> > people's
> > > passions.
> > >
> > > I think that up and running may be true about 15
> > hours weekly.
> > > But to
> > > get there will require a lot more hours each week.
> > >
> > > Probably I will be a good idea to gather some help
> > from now
> > > until this
> > > position it appointed, and I will like to help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Neville
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v
> > > Linux User # 473217
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:23:46 -0400
> > > From: David Nalley <david at gnsa.us>
> > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] calling for backup
> > > To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > > Cc: fudcon-planning at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > > Message-ID:
> > >
> > >
> > <d6e6dfeb1003270823h197e2726j82ddbed582b5c243 at mail.gmail.com>
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> > >
> > > on Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Max Spevack
> > > <mspevack at redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > Today seems like a good day to write this blog
> > > post. ?Interested to hear
> > > > people's feedback.
> > > >
> > > > http://spevack.livejournal.com/103305.html
> > > >
> > > > --Max
> > > > --
> > > > ambassadors mailing list
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> > > >
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think this is an outstanding idea. I have one
> > comment re
> > > the rotating.
> > >
> > > So from an outsiders perspective, I infer that there
> > must a
> > > lot of
> > > internal wrangling that occurs, especially for the
> > larger
> > > events such
> > > as FUDcon. I suspect that alot of the internal
> > wrangling (and
> > > I don't
> > > mean to make it sound bad, it's just part of the
> > process, be
> > > that
> > > budgetary or whatever else) is the reason that the
> > community
> > > at large
> > > hasn't picked up the responsibility. (And if it
> > isn't, and
> > > this is
> > > something the community should be picking up, please
> > correct
> > > me, I'd
> > > hate to think that we want FUDcons and FADs so bad
> > and yet
> > > aren't
> > > doing the work thats needed if it's something we can
> > do). That
> > > leads
> > > me to believe that this internal wrangling has a
> > learning
> > > curve that
> > > is non-trivial, and that repeating it would be a
> > waste of time
> > > and
> > > resources. If it takes a month to get someone up to
> > speed,
> > > having to
> > > repeat it for each FUDcon sounds likely to be an
> > excercise in
> > > frustration.
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:46:03 -0400
> > > From: "Neville A. Cross" <nacross at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] calling for backup
> > > To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > > Message-ID:
> > >
> > >
> > <f1706c1e1003270946p4f099c25i668b10c5b36d082b at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:23 AM, David Nalley
> > <david at gnsa.us>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think this is an outstanding idea. ?I have one
> > comment re
> > > the rotating.
> > > >
> > > > So from an outsiders perspective, I infer that
> > there must a
> > > lot of
> > > > internal wrangling that occurs, especially for the
> > larger
> > > events such
> > > > as FUDcon. I suspect that alot of the internal
> > wrangling
> > > (and I don't
> > > > mean to make it sound bad, it's just part of the
> > process, be
> > > that
> > > > budgetary or whatever else) is the reason that the
> > community
> > > at large
> > > > hasn't picked up the responsibility. (And if it
> > isn't, and
> > > this is
> > > > something the community should be picking up,
> > please correct
> > > me, I'd
> > > > hate to think that we want FUDcons and FADs so bad
> > and yet
> > > aren't
> > > > doing the work thats needed if it's something we
> > can do).
> > > That leads
> > > > me to believe that this internal wrangling has a
> > learning
> > > curve that
> > > > is non-trivial, and that repeating it would be a
> > waste of
> > > time and
> > > > resources. If it takes a month to get someone up
> > to speed,
> > > having to
> > > > repeat it for each FUDcon sounds likely to be an
> > excercise
> > > in
> > > > frustration.
> > >
> > > I think that the open participation and the aim to
> > provide
> > > chances to
> > > different locations for events are bound to require
> > this
> > > repeating
> > > exercise, frustrating and all... yet another
> > characteristic
> > > for the
> > > person appointed for such task: Patience (lot of
> > it!)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Neville
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v
> > > Linux User # 473217
> > >
> > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > - -
> > > Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com
> > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > - -
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:14:03 +0000
> > > From: Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt>
> > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] FYI Fedora 12 one page
> > release
> > > notes. :)
> > > To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > > Message-ID: <1269710043.2635.1.camel at localhost>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > >
> > > It's nicely done, though on "Help make Fedora" I
> > strongly
> > > disagree with
> > > the image presented as it clear shows signs of
> > "Ghetto
> > > culture". You
> > > shouldn't address an international community
> > displaying such
> > > symbols.
> > > Every time that Communication hits International
> > Communities
> > > or
> > > Minorities, it should be reviewed carefully at
> > cultural level.
> > >
> > > Just my 2 cents...
> > >
> > > nm
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 03:33 -0400, David Ramsey
> > wrote:
> > > > Hello Everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Greetings. :)
> > > >
> > > > =============================================
> > > >
> > > > FYI Fedora 12 one page release notes. :)
> > > >
> > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_tour
> > > >
> > > > Looks very professional and useful. :)
> > > >
> > > > =============================================
> > > >
> > > > Sending positive Fedora 12 and Fedora 13 energy
> > from my
> > > computer to yours. :v)
> > > >
> > > > Please have a great day and/or evening! :~)
> > > >
> > > > Thank You
> > > > Sincerely
> > > > =-=-=-=-=
> > > > - David -
> > > > =-=-=-=-=
> > > > David Ramsey
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > ????
> > > > ????????
> > > > 10 people 10 colors
> > > > Different strokes for different folks
> > > > =
> > > > Fedora Project's Japan & Maryland Ambassador
> > > dramsey at fedoraproject.org
> > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dramsey
> > > > * Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM
> > running the
> > > Fedora 12 (Constantine) kernel -
> > 2.6.32.10-88.fc12.i686.PAE
> > > > * Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM
> > running the
> > > Fedora 13 (Goddard) kernel -
> > 2.6.33.1-19.fc13.i686.PAE
> > > > * Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM
> > running the
> > > Fedora 13
> > > > (Goddard) kernel - 2.6.33-1.fc13.i686.PAE
> > > > With eight (8) x86_64 computing cores, 16 GB of
> > RAM and two
> > > SATA Seagate 7200.12 500 GB harddisks.
> > > > =
> > > >
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> > > >
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
> > >
> > > --
> > > Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 8
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:24:15 +0100
> > > From: Mathieu Bridon <bochecha at fedoraproject.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] FYI Fedora 12 one page
> > release
> > > notes. :)
> > > To: 07721 at ipam.pt,
> > ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > > Message-ID:
> > >
> > >
> > <2d319b781003271024k362de97cm8f31764ec9b2a9ec at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 18:14, Nelson Marques
> > <07721 at ipam.pt>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's nicely done, though on "Help make Fedora" I
> > strongly
> > > disagree with
> > > > the image presented as it clear shows signs of
> > "Ghetto
> > > culture".
> > >
> > > You mean 3 friends being happy to work together is a
> > sign of ?
> > > ghetto
> > > culture ? ?
> > >
> > > This photo shows nothing more than how great it is
> > to be
> > > contributing
> > > to the Fedora Project, don't try to see anything
> > more :)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > Mathieu Bridon
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 9
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:37:55 -0400
> > > From: "Neville A. Cross" <nacross at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] FYI Fedora 12 one page
> > release
> > > notes. :)
> > > To: 07721 at ipam.pt,
> > ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> > > Message-ID:
> > >
> > >
> > <f1706c1e1003271037j49796f47kba8cc0e6a0b1bc75 at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Nelson Marques
> > > <07721 at ipam.pt> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's nicely done, though on "Help make Fedora" I
> > strongly
> > > disagree with
> > > > the image presented as it clear shows signs of
> > "Ghetto
> > > culture". You
> > > > shouldn't address an international community
> > displaying such
> > > symbols.
> > > > Every time that Communication hits International
> > Communities
> > > or
> > > > Minorities, it should be reviewed carefully at
> > cultural
> > > level.
> > > >
> > > > Just my 2 cents...
> > > >
> > > > nm
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I looked for the wiki and found that at:
> > >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes
> > > Can you elaborate? Seriuosly.
> > > Because as I am part of the international community,
> > I am too
> > > far off
> > > to identify what you mean by Ghetto Culture in that
> > picture. I
> > > really
> > > don't get your point, and I think is worth
> > exploring.
> > > For me one thumb up is good. Extending thumb and
> > little finger
> > > is a
> > > surfer sing, people have told me it means a wish for
> > good
> > > waves to
> > > ride on.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > > --
> > > Neville
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v
> > > Linux User # 473217
> > >
> > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > - -
> > > Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com
> > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > - -
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
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> > --
> > Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt>
> >
> >
> >
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> Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt>
>
>
>
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