Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 19:38 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 02/01/2013 05:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 08:44 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >> On 02/01/2013 04:21 AM, David Tardon wrote:
> >>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:46:33PM +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >>>> And in the midst of me doing this research I have to have Bill
> >>>> Notting butting into my work ( and I know what that means ), trying
> >>>> to come up with his own list instead of simply asking me for the one
> >>>> I was looking at [¹] and consulting with me where I was with my
> >>>> findings and now he can just have at it and finish do it his own
> >>>> way., create those units and prep the necessary patches to the
> >>>> packages etc. since he's such an expert on the matter.
> >>> If you stop behaving like a child, maybe people will start to take you
> >>> seriously.
> >> And Bills behavior towards me has been so civilized through out the years.
> >>
> >> If he leaves me and my work alone and general stays away from me maybe I
> >> will...
> > Well, no, that's not going to happen. Fedora's a collaborative project.
> > If you're making significant changes to core packages - which you would
> > be, if you start porting things from crond to systemd timers - other
> > people who work on the core system are going to take an interest. Like
> > Bill. That's kind of how things work around here. You don't just get to
> > stake off some territory and say MINE MINE MINE NO-ONE COMES IN HERE.
> 
> Oh and you where so collaborate Adam when you decided on your own 
> deleting my tickets in the QA trac instance that A) exist because of me 
> and B) I was using to keep track on my work within the QA community. It 
> did not cross for a second for you to send me a line or ping me on irc 
> and ask me if it was ok.

I didn't 'delete' anything. I *closed* some tickets that had seen no
activity for two years and ten months, as part of a general effort to
keep trac focused on current and active tasks. The tickets are still
there and you could re-open them if you choose. This is roughly
analogous to the EOL bugzilla closures we do with each release. When you
contacted me about this I did not tell you to butt out and leave my area
of expertise alone, we had a discussion about it. Collaboratively.

> And you dare talking to me about mine mine when I want one man, one man 
> out of thousand of contributors to leave me alone and stay out of my 
> business!

There it is again: "my business". I'm not sure how you consider this
"your business". This feature page:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdCalendarTimers

lists Lennart as the feature owner. It does not list you anywhere. It
does not in any way cover the question of how many, if any, cron jobs we
should convert into systemd timer units: this is clearly beyond the
feature's scope. There is no otherfeature that *does* cover that work,
so far as I am aware. You are not the owner of the systemd package. You
are not the owner of the cronie package. You are not the owner of any of
the packages that would be candidates for conversion. So how exactly is
the conversion to timer units "your business"? Your claim doesn't appear
to be staked in any way anyone else can see.
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Adam Williamson
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