Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

["Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"]

On 02/02/2013 08:31 AM, David Tardon wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 07:43:48AM +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>> On 02/02/2013 07:33 AM, David Tardon wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 07:06:12AM +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>>>> On 02/02/2013 07:03 AM, David Tardon wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 02:08:00AM +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>>>>>> When I meet a maintainer in the project that stated to me "I have to
>>>>>> talk to my manager first" before upgrading his "component" that
>>>>>> rings alarm bells to me, That gives me the feel that they are
>>>>>> maintaining their components as a part of their job not because they
>>>>>> want to scratch an itch and want to!
>>>>> There is a third reason for maintaining a component: it is a dependency
>>>>> for another component the packager maintains. This is applicable for
>>>>> _all_ packagers, be they from Red Hat or the community. You either
>>>>> conveniently omitted this reason to make an argument or never thought of
>>>>> it, in which case I respectfully ask you to butt out of this thread
>>>>> because you do not know what you are talking about.
>>>> Oh in my case it was an "primary" component no dependency that Red
>>>> Hat maintainer could not update until he got approval but for the
>>> You generalized one specific case to _all components of all Red Hat
>>> maintainers_. When I rejected that generalization, you are counteracting
>>> by claiming that my argument does not apply for that one _specific_
>>> case. Sorry, but that is a faulty reasoning.
>> No i did not "generalized one specific case to _all components of
>> all Red Hat"
> Yes, you did. Or how else do you interpret "That gives me the feel that
> they are maintaining their components as a part of their job not because
> they want to scratch an itch and want to!"

That there exist individual that are maintaining components in Fedora 
not because they wan to but more because they have to as a part of their 
job.
Something I had suspected for quite sometime for some time but in my 
case I was given the proof.

>
>> And I also know yes granted an single individual that said he could
>> not update his component in the project which he maintained without
>> asking his "boss" before doing so which raises a whole bunch of
>> questions
> Sure. For example: "Is he a new packager and does not realize that
> updating a component in Fedora does not involve the same process as in
> RHEL?" or "Is the update potentially dangerous and he wants to consult
> with someone more experienced?" (We still do not know who the packager
> was and which component it was.)

I'm not going to reveal who that was. I am a lot of things but that guy 
I am not. What he told me in private mail is between me and him so keep 
fishing...

JBG