Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

[Zdenek Kabelac]

Dne 11.9.2015 v 16:44 Reindl Harald napsal(a):
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> Am 11.09.2015 um 16:31 schrieb Zdenek Kabelac:
>> Dne 11.9.2015 v 15:47 Reindl Harald napsal(a):
>>> don't tell me rpmfusion could not easily make that fully automated
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>>>> This Fedora plan simply puts too much work at everyone's hands.
>>>>
>>>> Sure - people who care about safety might have some option - like  I
>>>> always want to have ONLY the latest lib - and drop everything else, but
>>>> there are still lot of users who could live with   older libs quite
>>>> happilly  (and especially in the case they do not use the library in
>>>> question AT ALL - which is the maint point here)
>>>
>>> you said "every one has tons of free time" - well - and who would
>>> maintain the
>>> dozen of versions of libraries packages?
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>> You miss few important points:
>>
>> 1.)
>> If you have  lib.so.2  and lib.so.4 - it may need far more work then
>> just running  rpmbuild   - so far away from 'fully automated'.
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> do we now build distributions backed by "may" and "possible"
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> in most cases it is just a "rpmbuild" like the mass-build on koji and the
> exceptions need some handwork, no big drama
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>> 2.)
>> What maintaining time are we talking about - since Fedora breaks working
>> thing in the first place for no good reason and force massive
>> maintenance time on every user of new library in 'short' time for some
>> potential 'security' fixes - but you may on the other hand put in dozed
>> of new security breaks anyway  - and when I see how frequently i.e. gtk
>> libs  may break whole distro -  it would be far more pleasant to see
>> just couple broken apps at time - instead of rendering whole  rawhide
>> unusable....
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> just because you don't understand or agree with the reasons don't mean they
> are not good

In real-world developing & testing app to work with all components takes 
significantly more time  then in Fedora 'garden'.

Not sure why you fail to understand this - I do like to have some apps to be 
latest/greatest - while others might be rather 'tested & stable' or even 'have 
them' (since they are no longer developed).

More complex projects even fail to fit in 1/2 year release cycle.

In non-Fedora 'world' it's the user who picks what he want to use,
however in Fedora 'garden' a few people selects what user may use and puts 
huge walls and pointless obstacle all around if they want to use something 
else -  yes I fail to see why this should be good for me....

Zdenek