Not too impressed with the quality of F14 at this time

[Jonathan Kamens]

 On 09/12/2010 12:09 AM, David wrote:
> A personal email that complains of my 'attack'?  :-)
A personal email to give you the opportunity to realize you were wrong
and change course while saving face. An opportunity on which, alas, you
failed to capitalize.
> You, personally,
> perhaps did not deserve what I considered as a satirical reply to a
> 'whine' type post. That was the impression that I got from your post. A
> 'whine'.
/No one/ trying to be helpful deserves the kind of reply you made to me.
Even people who do nothing but point out problems are helpful. The
people who work on Fedora, or any other software product, need to hear
negative as well as positive feedback from users.

Furthermore, to suggest that I was "whining" when I politely expressed
concerns about the quality of an upcoming release, went to the trouble
of checking bugzilla for these issues, and created tickets for the ones
that weren't already there, is patently absurd.

Having said that, even if I were a total newbie who had been doing
nothing but whining, that's /still/ useful feedback for the developers.
In that case, making polite suggestions for how to give better feedback
in the future is a great way to help improve the community and improve
Fedora. Sarcastically dismissing someone who is trying to help is not.
> I can understand that these supposed problems are important to you.
> Notice the 'to you'. But since no one else seems to have reported them
Actually, half of the bugs in the list I posted last night were first
posted to bugzilla by other people. Which you would have known, if you
had taken a minute or two to think about what I posted rather than
shooting from the hip. But apparently you didn't do that because you
"don't really care." You apparently think it's more helpful to the
community for you to attack other people who are trying to help than to
actually put some effort into participating intelligently in the discussion.

Having said that, are you saying that it is only useful for testers to
report bugs that other people have already posted? That doesn't seem to
make a lot of sense.

  jik

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