Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

[Craig White]

On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 15:15 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 09/28/2011 12:37 PM, Craig White wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 11:39 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote:

> >> No, but I think the controversy around GNOME 3 is of a different order
> >> from what we've seen before.  This is not just the usual bunch of
> >> complaints.
> > ----
> > because you say so?
> > 
> > seems to me exactly the same type of complaints when KDE 4 was released
> 
> Perhaps so, but I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like this.
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seems about the same to me but I don't have an Applause-O-Meter
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> > Those who are unwilling or unprepared to use leading edge software,
> > still under development should probably be using something stable like
> 
> I think you're missing the point.  A major goal of any leading-edge
> distro is to get feedback from users on new features.  In other words,
> getting negative feedback from users isn't a bug, it's a feature.
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sure - but let's not confuse excessive vocalizations by 15 people or so
to represent a significant percentage.

I vaguely recall the mantra... it's not a bug if it's not in bugzilla -
does that not apply any more?
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> 
> > RHEL, CentOS, Scientific Linux, Ubuntu LTS, Debian or something other
> > than Fedora. If you are committed to using Fedora, you are committed to
> > using it warts and all with the expectation that you are helping to
> > drive the open source universe forward.
> 
> If Fedora (and free software in general) is to improve then we need
> feedback from users.  That's how it has always worked, and how it's
> supposed to work.  We need people to complain when Fedora does things
> they don't like.  We actively solicit feedback, and we welcome it,
> even if we don't like it.
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It's still quite unfinished and probably will be unfinished for some time - perhaps won't have a finished quality until well into F16 cycle.

Then of course, there's feedback appropriateness... perhaps you should
earmark a bugzilla page, a wiki page or a forum page for sound off
because the same people griping about the same things over and over
again on the mail list really denigrates the usefulness of the mail
list.

Craig



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