Hi
I was contacted by a local computing magazine which is aiming to distribute a gaming distribution by December and wanted to know if I could do a Fedora games Live CD. It has a monthly circulation of 15000 copies but due to the low cost of the magazine they can't afford to distribute a DVD.
I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in having it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the effort?
Rahul
Hi
I was contacted by a local computing magazine which is aiming to distribute a gaming distribution by December and wanted to know if I could do a Fedora games Live CD. It has a monthly circulation of 15000 copies but due to the low cost of the magazine they can't afford to distribute a DVD.
I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in having it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the effort?
I've been arguing in favor of that since the start, as I have no DVD drives.
+1 from me. Though I completely understand the arguments against. In this case, we have an opportunity to put Fedora in front of more eyeballs, so I say go for it.
Rahul
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Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
I was contacted by a local computing magazine which is aiming to distribute a gaming distribution by December and wanted to know if I could do a Fedora games Live CD. It has a monthly circulation of 15000 copies but due to the low cost of the magazine they can't afford to distribute a DVD.
I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in having it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the effort?
Well, to get 15000 cd's out there, hell ya! So we need to strip the desktop to the bone and then very carefully select games based on size.
I would like to nominate: -The floppy editions of beneath-a-steal-sky (10 Mb) think lucas film arts games like maniac mansian, definetively worth it if you ask me. -quake3 (3Mb), vavoom (4Mb) (they are small through using auto-downloader, yes I'm a cheater) -worminator (platform shootem-up crossover, only 0.5 Mb) -KoboDeluxe (1 Mb) -raidem (7 Mb) very good 2d top-down shoot'em up like 1942, raptor, etc. -crystal-stacker, Falling blocks, match 3 or more of the same color crystals (1 Mb) -fbg, falling block, classics (1.3 Mb) -freeciv (12 Mb) -methane, like bubbles and bobbles (2 Mb) -njam, like pacman (4 Mb) -lacewing, cool! (2 Mb) -ballbuster, a brick buster (2 Mb) -clanbomber (2 Mb) -scorchwentbonkers, try it (2 Mb) -stormbaancoureur, car racing (4 Mb) -machineball (4 mb) -xgalaxy, xgalaga renamed (1 Mb)
Maybe: -asc, strategic game (12 Mb) -duel3, ... (7 Mb) -supertuxkart, cool but .. (36 Mb) -pinball (7 Mb) -seahorse-adventures (try it) (4 Mb) -auriferious, like loderunner (20 Mb)
Also I'll try to get: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=250735 Resolved asap, that will save us arts and qt, unless we want kde stuff.
Regards,
Hans
I think it would be good to get at least one old-school RPG in there. xu4 (if we allow autodownloader) or nazghul-haxima should be pretty tiny, although at 2MB nazghul might not be sufficiently tiny.
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Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
I think it would be good to get at least one old-school RPG in there. xu4 (if we allow autodownloader) or nazghul-haxima should be pretty tiny, although at 2MB nazghul might not be sufficiently tiny.
I fully agree, I would really like to see many < 5 Mb games instead of a few larger games. Then again games like supertuxkart although bigish are also nice.
Regards,
Hans
Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
I think it would be good to get at least one old-school RPG in there. xu4 (if we allow autodownloader) or nazghul-haxima should be pretty tiny, although at 2MB nazghul might not be sufficiently tiny.
If you really want old-school rpg, add rogue and ularn, which barely top 500k combined. :)
--Wart
Hans de Goede wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
I was contacted by a local computing magazine which is aiming to distribute a gaming distribution by December and wanted to know if I could do a Fedora games Live CD. It has a monthly circulation of 15000 copies but due to the low cost of the magazine they can't afford to distribute a DVD.
I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in having it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the effort?
Well, to get 15000 cd's out there, hell ya!
Actually it is 30000 cd's since we would distribute two different spins. Fedora games and a local language (Tamil) edition. Do copy and modify the existing kickstart file in the wiki and we can work out the details more.
Rahul
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Do copy and modify the existing kickstart file in the wiki and we can work out the details more.
Erm, I'm not completely following you here. I do think we need someone to sink some time into creating a minimal desktop .ks file to which we can then start adding games. Maybe use xfce? Then we will be the xfce and games spin all rolled into one :)
Regards,
Hans
Hans de Goede wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Do copy and modify the existing kickstart file in the wiki and we can work out the details more.
Erm, I'm not completely following you here. I do think we need someone to sink some time into creating a minimal desktop .ks file to which we can then start adding games.
I am suggesting that we can copy and trim the existing games DVD kickstart file and reuse that if that is less work.
Maybe use xfce? Then we will be the xfce
and games spin all rolled into one :)
It is still very early but I am working on a Xfce spin too.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/XfceLive
Rahul
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hans de Goede wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Do copy and modify the existing kickstart file in the wiki and we can work out the details more.
Erm, I'm not completely following you here. I do think we need someone to sink some time into creating a minimal desktop .ks file to which we can then start adding games.
I am suggesting that we can copy and trim the existing games DVD kickstart file and reuse that if that is less work.
Hmm, but thats derived from the standard desktop install isn't it? Then we will have very little room for games.
I'm thinking more along the lines of a very minimal desktop with a stripped xfce (for example no filemanager, unless thats very small and doesn't bring in to much deps).
I'm also thinking things like: no browser, maybe a text based one which can be launched in a terminal from a fake htmlview like command for those apps that expect htmlview to be there.
Maybe use xfce? Then we will be the xfce
and games spin all rolled into one :)
It is still very early but I am working on a Xfce spin too.
Cool!
Couldn't we use that as a start then, without for example the broswer, mail client, office apps, etc.
AFAIK the unique asset of the games dvd is the games list other then that its almost an exact copy of the official desktop livecd.
Regards,
Hans
Hans de Goede wrote:
It is still very early but I am working on a Xfce spin too.
Cool!
Couldn't we use that as a start then, without for example the broswer, mail client, office apps, etc.
We could but the Xfce kickstart itself needs to be derived from the base OS desktop kickstart file instead of duplicating it like it does now. If you want to do that, it would get me both the Xfce spin as well as games live cd.
Rahul
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hans de Goede wrote:
It is still very early but I am working on a Xfce spin too.
Cool!
Couldn't we use that as a start then, without for example the broswer, mail client, office apps, etc.
We could but the Xfce kickstart itself needs to be derived from the base OS desktop kickstart file instead of duplicating it like it does now. If you want to do that, it would get me both the Xfce spin as well as games live cd.
I'm afraid I simply don't have the time for that, between getting some kernel drivers ready for the 2.6.24 merge window, the full steam rolling CCRMA packages integration with the AudioCreation SIG and a successful starting up of rpmfusion all my time is spend (most of it spend twice).
Regards,
Hans
Hans de Goede wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hans de Goede wrote:
It is still very early but I am working on a Xfce spin too.
Cool!
Couldn't we use that as a start then, without for example the broswer, mail client, office apps, etc.
We could but the Xfce kickstart itself needs to be derived from the base OS desktop kickstart file instead of duplicating it like it does now. If you want to do that, it would get me both the Xfce spin as well as games live cd.
I'm afraid I simply don't have the time for that,
That's understandable. I am busy with other stuff too. Is anyone volunteering?
Rahul
Hans de Goede wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in having it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the effort?
If you build the CD then I think it make absolutely sense to make it widely available.
Well, to get 15000 cd's out there, hell ya! So we need to strip the desktop to the bone and then very carefully select games based on size.
I would like to nominate: -The floppy editions of
I think if a games CD is intended to have any success, it have to include more than geeky games, is a must to cover some mainstream genres, IMO Wesnoth is a must, a real 3D shooter is a must and maybe a car game. I understand those are large games and the size is important, but the purpose is to have games people will play (do not address only a niche of players).
Nicu Buculei wrote:
Hans de Goede wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I could do one specifically for them but is there any interest in having it more widely available? Is a Fedora games Live CD worth the effort?
If you build the CD then I think it make absolutely sense to make it widely available.
Well, to get 15000 cd's out there, hell ya! So we need to strip the desktop to the bone and then very carefully select games based on size.
I would like to nominate: -The floppy editions of
I think if a games CD is intended to have any success, it have to include more than geeky games, is a must to cover some mainstream genres, IMO Wesnoth is a must, a real 3D shooter is a must and maybe a car game. I understand those are large games and the size is important, but the purpose is to have games people will play (do not address only a niche of players).
Have you actually tried Beneath a steel sky? It does cover a mainstream genre, the genre of games like Monkey Island, and the later point and click interface larry's and space quests and it covers that well, and only for 8 Mb!
Also a lot of the other games I mentioned are not pure geeky. Who doesn't like pacman or the well known Russian falling blocks game?
Regards,
Hans
Hans de Goede wrote:
Have you actually tried Beneath a steel sky? It does cover a mainstream genre, the genre of games like Monkey Island, and the later point and click interface larry's and space quests and it covers that well, and only for 8 Mb!
Yes, about 10 years ago I was in fact quite a big fan of Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (also based on SCUMM) but I moved over. Sure, I could play it a bit out of nostalgia but that is all. Have you seen the kids these days playing old-school adventures?
Is the goal of the spin to make happy the nostalgia players or attract new people to Fedora?
I don't argue against the inclusion of such games, but to ponder then with something modern and cover a large user base.
Also a lot of the other games I mentioned are not pure geeky. Who doesn't like pacman or the well known Russian falling blocks game?
Well, Tetris is part of the Gnome games package (even if Fedora let it out due to a questionable trademark policy), so a game like it is expected in the main desktop spin, the games spin I think should have higher goals.
In my opinion we should select a core of two or three bigger games that would be a good promotion of LiveCD and then fill the empty space with smaller games. That is because most of players would be definitely more interested in well-known newer games than the classics.
I'd select Wesnoth and OpenArena or Nexuiz. Why? - Wesnoth - because it's a really popular game that is better than many commercial available games, turn-based games have many fans (not to mention HoMM) and having it in Fedora may attract lots of folks playing this type of games. - OpenArena or Nexuiz - popularity of network FPS's is a thing that doesn't need to be explained. Both can be played offline too unless somebody owns internet connection.
With this selection we could draw fans of strategy and action games. What do you think?
In my opinion we should select a core of two or three bigger games that would be a good promotion of LiveCD and then fill the empty space with smaller games. That is because most of players would be definitely more interested in well-known newer games than the classics.
I'd select Wesnoth and OpenArena or Nexuiz. Why?
- Wesnoth - because it's a really popular game that is better than
many commercial available games, turn-based games have many fans (not to mention HoMM) and having it in Fedora may attract lots of folks playing this type of games.
- OpenArena or Nexuiz - popularity of network FPS's is a thing that
doesn't need to be explained. Both can be played offline too unless somebody owns internet connection.
With this selection we could draw fans of strategy and action games. What do you think?
+1, I vote nexuiz.
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