Fwd: [Ambassadors] Measuring success. (Reigniting the steering committee?)

[Cesar Pinto]

Hi Outreach!

I was recommended to write to this list to suggest a monthly meeting to
discuss strategic initiatives. Please see below my comm. from the
Ambassadors list.

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Hi Joerg,

I am thinking more along the lines of cross departmental initiatives
(marketing + ambassadors) and exploring what more could be done.

I hope none of this comes across like I´m invalidating existing efforts and
I´m suggesting we should be micromanaging --- not the intent at all... i´m
speaking from a place of blissful ignorance :-)

What I am certain of: There is enough brain-power and enthusiasm within the
project to come up with even smarter joint activities which may have a
measurable impact. (and maybe don´t even have to cost us any money!)

Just adapting behaviour, directing focus and keeping an eye in the bigger
picture. (and understanding what that picture actually is)

For example: What if we everyone in the project agreed on doing a monthly
thunderclap?

https://www.thunderclap.it/

What if all ambassadors signed up and once a month all our combined twitter
accounts sent out a single message?

What if we agreed on a provocative / catchy / simple topic, and drive
traffic within a specific demographic? ("Which Fedora are you? Take the
Survey ___Link___")

What if we made it action oriented and time-bound?

Maybe we cannot measure downloads and OK, maybe smolt did die a painful
death ... But we CAN measure retweets and google keywords :-)

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Fedora%2021%2C%20Fedora%20Linux%2C...


And if we do this consistently and in a regular basis, maybe we will start
to see trends. (And maybe those trends will begin to shape the project in
new and unexpected ways....)

But I agree, we should just open the dialogue and see if anyone is
interested.

https://plus.google.com/events/c7ni6kkd5h07848r63oseokap54

I will also raise this initiative in my regular EMEA Ambassadors meeting
next week.

CP

On 26 February 2015 at 16:51, Joerg Simon <jsimon(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

>  On 25.02.2015 09:12, Cesar Pinto wrote:
>  > Maybe this has been raised before but I would like to raise the question
>  > of overall goals, metrics and accountability in relation to the success
>  > of this Fedora project.
>  > Perhaps we could open the discussion around overall strategy for the
>  > project in regards to adoption (what we want to achieve? by when? how?),
>
>  I see this as a clear topic for the outreach list, maybe they work on
>  this topic already - or abandoned it already ;)
>  maybe you should join their discussion
>  (https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/outreach/)
>
>  What works for code, commits and infrastructure changes, does imho not
>  always work for the work that the Ambassadors are doing - a lot of it
>  can not be just measured. We tried in the past - to measure events,
>  invests, new contributors to all our groups - and i think it was helping
>  future planning (a bit) but it was not worth the effort if i look at the
>  time invested and we never will measure the catalytic influence we had
>  with our activities, presence
>
>  > Run it like a business meeting?
>
>  i suggest to join the Ambassadors Meeting (maybe you already joined
>  some) and also the planning Activity days to learn how we do it at the
>  moment then make suggestion for improvements.
>
>  > Also there must be a way to measure success. Are we tracking regional
>  > downloads to know if our efforts as ambassadors are having a measurable
>  > impact?
>
>  for ambassadors there are measures in place how money is spend,
>  event-reporting is done, group-development etc. i think we found a good
>  middle-way in the last years. The stats, measures for other groups than
>  Ambassadors, should to be discussed in these groups or at counsil level.
>
>  regarding users - smolt is dead and the download stats are imho not
>  accurate enough to draw the conclusions that you want
>
>  Ambassadors can measure new contributors that they mentored and teached
>  to join the Fedora Project - and as long as they can achieve their
>  personal goals with contribution i think this is quality measurement
>  enough.
>
>
>  > But (myself at least) I see events as only a tactical
>  > activity,
>
>  maybe it will change your view if you join/represent Fedora on FOSS
>  Events - there is much more than just tactical activities
>
>
>  > what about PR work? technology partnerships? (docker) academic
>  > adoption? (charitable ICT work?) training programs? (free course on
>  linux?)
>
>  Ambassadors already support/did/do all this ;)
>
>  > And maybe could we suggest 1 monthly (biweekly at most) meeting via
>  > video call in addition to the IRC meetings. Maybe an idea to make things
>  > more engaging for new ambassadors?
>
>  organize it and look who joins ;)
>
>  and please do not get me wrong - i also suggest to look through the
>  Ambassadors archives to learn where we failed and some history so we do
>  not the same again and again.
>
>  Thanks for your input!
>
>  cu Joerg
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[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 07:15:50PM +0000, Cesar Pinto wrote:
>  I was recommended to write to this list to suggest a monthly meeting
> to
>  discuss strategic initiatives. Please see below my comm. from the
>  Ambassadors list. 
Awesome, thanks. :)

I think these are great ideas. As you can see, it's still kind of quiet
around here as this list isn't really off the ground yet. Let's change
that!

>  But I agree, we should just open the dialogue and see if anyone is
>  interested. 
Definitely. Who else is interested? I'm back from my month of travel
(FOSDEM, DevConf.cz, SCALE 13x ... I know there are people who travel
even more than that, but turns out that it's way too much for me... not
that I didn't enjoy every place, but it all added up... Anyway...) and
interested in getting things going again!



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Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[S.Kemter]

Hi,



2015-03-03 17:19 GMT+01:00 Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:

>  On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 07:15:50PM +0000, Cesar Pinto wrote:
>  > I was recommended to write to this list to suggest a monthly meeting to
>  > discuss strategic initiatives. Please see below my comm. from the
>  > Ambassadors list.
>
>  Awesome, thanks. :)
>
>  I think these are great ideas. As you can see, it's still kind of quiet
>  around here as this list isn't really off the ground yet. Let's change
>  that!
>
>  > But I agree, we should just open the dialogue and see if anyone is
>  > interested.
>
>  Definitely. Who else is interested? I'm back from my month of travel
>  (FOSDEM, DevConf.cz, SCALE 13x ... I know there are people who travel
>  even more than that, but turns out that it's way too much for me... not
>  that I didn't enjoy every place, but it all added up... Anyway...) and
>  interested in getting things going again!
>  

Matt I would prefer, we getting FOSCo off the ground, not thinking about
"meetings for strategies". As for strategy thats long term everything else
is tactical and I think the F2F meetings end of the year the EMEA
Ambassadors and last year also that one of APAC  are the right place to
talk about that kind of thing. Especially we cant have an strategy for all
regions, they differ to much, even inside the regions are huge differences.

br gnokii



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[Pete Travis]

On Mar 5, 2015 12:19 PM, "S.Kemter" <sirko.kemter(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>
>
>  2015-03-03 17:19 GMT+01:00 Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 07:15:50PM +0000, Cesar Pinto wrote:
> > > I was recommended to write to this list to suggest a monthly meeting to
> > > discuss strategic initiatives. Please see below my comm. from the
> > > Ambassadors list.
> >
> > Awesome, thanks. :)
> >
> > I think these are great ideas. As you can see, it's still kind of quiet
> > around here as this list isn't really off the ground yet. Let's change
> > that!
> >
> > > But I agree, we should just open the dialogue and see if anyone is
> > > interested.
> >
> > Definitely. Who else is interested? I'm back from my month of travel
> > (FOSDEM, DevConf.cz, SCALE 13x ... I know there are people who travel
> > even more than that, but turns out that it's way too much for me... not
> > that I didn't enjoy every place, but it all added up... Anyway...) and
> > interested in getting things going again!
>
>
>
>  Matt I would prefer, we getting FOSCo off the ground, not thinking about
"meetings for strategies". As for strategy thats long term everything
else
is tactical and I think the F2F meetings end of the year the EMEA
Ambassadors and last year also that one of APAC  are the right place to
talk about that kind of thing. Especially we cant have an strategy for all
regions, they differ to much, even inside the regions are huge differences.
>  br gnokii
>  
I mostly agree here, gnokii (except, I understood the outreach effort to be
larger than Ambassadors, so the point about doing strategy at Ambassadors
meetings doesn't stick.)  I don't see a lot of value in immediately
establishing FOSCo as a chartered governance body.  The initial response
has been lackluster, and I suspect that it would be better if this list was
showing action on the issues it was meant to address. Defining scope,
procedure, policy, meeting arrangements, and such is fine, that's all part
of coordinating efforts towards a greater goal.

Before we get into all that, I suggest we dive directly into that greater
goal of cross-team collaboration.  A few dozen people reaching consensus on
procedure here doesn't inherently gain the cooperation of the greater
community.  otoh, if the group here can't come up with viable ideas, the
community won't care if the beaurocratic trappings have been refined or not.

I think this group is a good idea.  I hope there are ideas about what it
can do, and how to do it.  If we're just going through the motions,
however....   I have an idea.  I'll start, on a new thread ;)

--Pete