5:53 a.m.
New subject: 'Add printer' puzzle
[I hope this sort of question is OK for this mailing-list.
If not, humble apologies to all!]
In the process of testing a beta of Mageia-5 some of us have come
across a bit of a puzzle in the following situation in system-config-
printer:
1. The printer to be installed was a USB HP printer (in my case a
HP5520), and was switched on at the time.
2. On starting s-c-p, several printer packages were installed,
3. On then selecting Add Printer, in a few seconds the printer's info
line popped up, together with an 'options' window showing 2 options:
"Linux scanning & printing (HPLIP)"
"USB"
The puzzle is how to choose!
Initially 'USB' was chosen (to say "Yes, the USB printer", ignoring the
wordy alternative), but then it was found that HPLIP would not accept
the installed printer.
On then starting again and selecting the 'HPLIP' option, installation
proceeded as before, but this time HPLIP did accept the installed
printer, so all was well.
The question is:
What is the intended use of the 'USB' option?
(S-c-p has already identified the printer as USB & HP, so why not
always (given USB HP found) go straight into the HPLIP installation
without showing the 2 options?
That would avoid confusing users who were new to Linux or to the
distribution.)
But perhaps there is an underlying reason for the 'USB' option...
For info on version of system-config-printer installed, see:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10969499/scp-details
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10:24 a.m.
New subject: 'Add printer' puzzle
On Mon, 2015-04-13 at 11:53 +0100, Maurice wrote:
3. On then selecting Add Printer, in a few seconds the printer's
info
line popped up, together with an 'options' window showing 2 options:
"Linux scanning & printing (HPLIP)"
"USB"
The puzzle is how to choose!
It currently already chooses, albeit subtly: the one first in the list
is the one you should probably use, and you have to click on the
expander if you want to change that.
The question is:
What is the intended use of the 'USB' option?
The point of that backend is to provide basic transport to all USB
printers. In fact, all drivers ought to work with the USB backend, and
IMHO any that don't are buggy.
When showing that list, the device URIs are sorted, and "hp"-scheme
URIs are sorted before "usb"-scheme URIs.
Tim
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10:43 a.m.
New subject: 'Add printer' puzzle
On Thursday 23 Apr 2015 16:24:49 Tim Waugh wrote:
> What is the intended use of the 'USB' option?
The point of that backend is to provide basic transport to all USB
printers. In fact, all drivers ought to work with the USB backend, and
IMHO any that don't are buggy.
But in the case where system-config-printer *knows* that the detected printer
is HP, why show the 'USB' option at all - why not just go ahead and install
the 'HPLIP' way, cutting out a redundant 'options' stage?
That would avoid unnecessary puzzlement for newcomers to Linux and also make
the install slicker.
(Puzzlement because - as I did at first - they are liable to select 'USB' as
confirmation "Yes, the USB printer". Then they find - even more puzzlingly -
that HPLIP does not recognise the printer installed via the 'USB' option!!!)
Regards,
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/\/\aurice
9:23 a.m.
New subject: 'Add printer' puzzle
On Thu, 2015-04-23 at 16:43 +0100, Maurice wrote:
But in the case where system-config-printer *knows* that the
detected printer is HP, why show the 'USB' option at all - why not
just go ahead and install the 'HPLIP' way, cutting out a redundant
'options' stage?
Yes, that's probably a good idea.
Tim.
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11:27 a.m.
New subject: 'Add printer' puzzle
2015-04-28 16:23 GMT+02:00 Tim Waugh <twaugh(a)redhat.com>:
On Thu, 2015-04-23 at 16:43 +0100, Maurice wrote:
> But in the case where system-config-printer *knows* that the
> detected printer is HP, why show the 'USB' option at all - why not
> just go ahead and install the 'HPLIP' way, cutting out a redundant
> 'options' stage?
Yes, that's probably a good idea.
share your view on how implement it
5:20 p.m.
New subject: 'Add printer' puzzle
On Tue, 2015-04-28 at 18:27 +0200, philippe makowski wrote:
share your view on how implement it
How about just making the visibility of expNPDeviceURIs (the
'Connection' expander) dependent on dialog_mode? So it would be hidden
unless invoked from the Properties dialog (when dialog_mode ==
"device").
Tim.
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5:20 a.m.
New subject: 'Add printer' puzzle
On Thu, 2015-05-07 at 12:45 +0100, Maurice wrote:
Anyone know what the mechanism is for proposing such an
improvement?
(i.e. Which 'bug report' system handles system-config-printer?)
It's at GitHub now:
https://github.com/twaugh/system-config-printer
so your best bet is to report an issue there.
Tim.
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12:05 p.m.
New subject: 'Add printer' puzzle
On Tuesday 19 May 2015 11:20:15 Tim Waugh wrote:
On Thu, 2015-05-07 at 12:45 +0100, Maurice wrote:
> Anyone know what the mechanism is for proposing such an
>
> improvement?
> (i.e. Which 'bug report' system handles system-config-printer?)
It's at GitHub now:
https://github.com/twaugh/system-config-printer
so your best bet is to report an issue there.
Thank you for that pointer, but all I could see there was what appeared to
be an index to a library of pieces of code, rather than proposals and
discussion.
What is the mechanism, Tim, for proposing the 'Add printer ' dialogue
adjustment that I outlined here on April 23?
Regards,
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/\/\aurice
6:54 a.m.
New subject: 'Add printer' puzzle
On Wed, 2015-05-20 at 18:05 +0100, Maurice wrote:
Thank you for that pointer, but all I could see there was what
appeared to be an index to a library of pieces of code, rather than
proposals and discussion.
Click on 'Issues' in the sidebar on the right.
https://github.com/twaugh/system-config-printer/issues
and then click the 'New Issue' button.
Tim.
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12:12 p.m.
New subject: 'Add printer' puzzle
On Thursday 21 May 2015 12:54:06 Tim Waugh wrote:
Click on 'Issues' in the sidebar on the right.
https://github.com/twaugh/system-config-printer/issues
and then click the 'New Issue' button
OK. Went in there and signed on, but the whole Github setup is a mystery to
me (e.g what is a repository and why do I need one to make a proposal)',
being used to the s/w testing bug-reporting scene, e.g.
https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14817
- so will not be able to do anything constructive w.r.t. the 'add printer'
dialogue until I've had time to figure out how the 'github' system works!
Regards,
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/\/\aurice
4:54 a.m.
New subject: 'Add printer' puzzle
On Thu, 2015-05-21 at 18:12 +0100, Maurice wrote:
OK. Went in there and signed on, but the whole Github setup is a
mystery to me (e.g what is a repository and why do I need one to
make a proposal)', being used to the s/w testing bug-reporting scene,
e.g.
You don't need a git repository of your own in order to report issues,
just a GitHub account will do. Once you've created your account and
logged in, visiting the github.com/twaugh/system-config-printer project
will allow you to view issues and report new ones.
Tim.
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3:38 p.m.
New subject: 'Add printer' puzzle
On Friday 22 May 2015 10:54:07 Tim Waugh wrote:
visiting the github.com/twaugh/system-config-printer project
will allow you to view issues and report new ones
Thank you, Tim - now done!
Regards,
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