[Fedora-ambassadors-list] About the openness of this list...

Alex Maier lxmaier at gmail.com
Sat Mar 11 23:25:06 UTC 2006


One more thing--I kind of forgot to say that I am of course glad that
Clair decided to rejoin the group and to help us figure out the
difficulties we are having.

Nobody is perfect, and all of us can and need to help make the
Ambassadors project better and easier to participate in.

Alex

On 3/11/06, Alex Maier <lxmaier at gmail.com> wrote:
> Clair,
>
> I agree with you that the CLA signung process is a pain, but it was
> not imposed by this group, and ALL Fedora projects need to abide by
> it.
>
> However, I am having difficulty understanding your position towards
> this project. The only communication I have received from you was your
> announcement that you want to leave the program and that you chose not
> to share the reasons with the list.
>
> If it was a "cry for help"--sorry I missed it.
>
> My interpretation of that email was very straightforward--Clair wants
> to leave, I remove Clair's account and say whenever she wants to
> return she is welcome to.
>
> During the time you were member of the group Clair, I did not see you
> even try to participate in any discussions on the list or on IRC, and
> I have not  seen you contribute to UK events, or request our support
> for any of your activities there. And so I don't see how we failed
> you.
>
> The Ambassadors project is based on self-driven individuals going out
> and talking about Fedora to other people. Famsco can *support* them
> and provide them with feedback, but can hardly take each of the
> volunteers by the hand and lead them along. With the amount of
> resources we got (almost non-existent) this model will not scale,
> however much I regret it.
>
> Our goal as leaders of the Ambassadors project should be to empower
> the Ambassadors to do great stuff out there, but it will have to
> remain the individual Ambassadors' responsibility to come up with the
> ideas and the drive to implement them.
>
> Cheers,
> Alex
>
> On 3/11/06, Clair <fedora at freehold.no-ip.info> wrote:
> > >How difficult is it, really, to get on the ambassadors list?
> > >
> > >We set some bare minimum, but actually the only thing you need to get
> > >onto this list is a valid name, and email.
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > I was initially refused entry to this list by Alex.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > Because I didn't have my name on the list on the wiki. (Well, I did. But
> > that's beside the point).
> >
> > How do I get my name on that list?
> >
> > I need EditGroup access on the wiki.
> >
> > How do I do that?
> >
> > I need to create an account on the account system, and sign the agreement.
> >
> > How do I do that?
> >
> > With a lot of pain, and playing with my GPG key.
> >
> > It is *NOT* easy to get to this list.
> >
> > (Note: Alex also removed me from this list after I left the Ambassadors.
> > Refusing me comment on the future of Ambassadors, which I obviously am
> > worried about).
> >
> >
> > Clair
> >
> > --
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> > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list
> >
>
>
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