[Ambassadors] New regional Ambassador Mentors

Marcus Moeller mail at marcus-moeller.de
Thu Nov 11 18:01:40 UTC 2010

Hi all.

> it, it is back up again.

I just want to let you know that I used this time to rethink my
proposal (frustration is not a good basement for innovation :)). I
guess most of the 'problems' could be solved with a good wiki page
explaining the role of mentors in the ambassadors project.

I am going to rewrite/extend the proposal based on that and try to
find a solution for the complaints that have been made. Of course I
cannot do that alone and want to invite you to comment on afterwards.

Thanks in advance

>> Larry Cafiero
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Marcus Moeller <mail at marcus-moeller.de>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Christoph,
>>> >> I am not yes sure if it's the best way to have a permanent list to
>>> >> pick from or to have something like a call for mentors (on demand), so
>>> >> when new mentors are needed for a specific region, this is announced
>>> >> and ppl who are interested can raise their voice on that.
>>> >
>>> > This doesn't make a difference. You will get the people who *want* to
>>> > become a mentor, not the people who *you* *want* to become one. You
>>> > will
>>> > get the people who *think* they can be mentors but not the people who
>>> > in
>>> > the eyes of the community can be one.
>>> Electing ppl or raising ppl from inside a board (on base of personal
>>> friendships or whatever) is IMHO definitely not the way things should
>>> happen in an open ecosystem. You say you want the best from the best?
>>> Just announce that new mentors are needed, let them put their name on
>>> the list or propose one if you think he/she is the best for that job.
>>> These are standard procedures which do not cause much overhead or
>>> 'make things complicated' like some might complain.
>>> > Again, you are not saying anything on the things I mentioned. I think
>>> > it
>>> > is hard to discuss with you. I'm trying to make my points and explain
>>> > my
>>> > point of view but you just say ... basically nothing.
>>> > Please be so kind as to respond to the questions I raise, otherwise we
>>> > cannot make any progress in this discussion.
>>> Sorry, the only point I get from you is that everybody could get
>>> things done, which is obviously (always) right and which is even part
>>> of the proposal and that FAmSCo should keep their privilege of
>>> electing mentors from inside.
>>> Let's open up the process and give everyone the chance to take part.
>>> Just to note: I really don't like the tone of discussions on this list
>>> and would like to ask at least you (Christoph) and Joerg to 'slow
>>> down' a bit because in general I think we are heading in the same
>>> direction and instead of blaming/fighting each other we should try to
>>> get closer to get things done. It's not much that I want to change and
>>> I even do not have a solution for every question. But I have much
>>> experience with similar problems in other open source projects and I
>>> am still in hope that Fedora is a 'bit better'.
>>> --
>>> Greets
>>> Marcus
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