[Ambassadors] Fedora is the 2º most used Linux s ystem

[Mathieu Bridon]

On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 09:59 +0100, Jukka Palander wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 16:20 +0800, Mathieu Bridon wrote:
> > > Going towards new is good, but we should go in there by listening our
> > > users what they want. Being arrogant is not the way.
> > 
> > I don't think Onyeibo was being arrogant.
> 
> I did not mean Onyeibo. I meant the Gnome developers!
> 
> There is loads of examples in the web explaining what features Gnome 3
> is lacking and what are annoying new and what should be improved. Anyhow
> _none_ of them was taken into account when moving from 3.0 into 3.2.

Wrong.

For example, one feature of Gnome 3.2 was called "Fix minor annoyances".
This was exactly about taking into account users' feedback.

Another example is the redesign of the user menu for Gnome 3.4, which
might reintroduce the poweroff button in some cases.

Gnome developers and designers do listen to feedback. But you have to
understand that "listening to someone" does not always mean the same as
"doing what that someone wants".

> This is being arrogant by the developers and points very well out that
> they do not (want to?) listen their users. Its all what "they" think.

Well, you know the drill. They are doing something that they believe in.
They provide it for free in the hopes that it will be useful. If it's
not, no one is forcing you to use their work.

> > And I also don't think we should always listen to what our users want.
> 
> HUH! Now I seriously must think if I want to be part of Fedora
> ambassadors team! This is really scary if we do not listen what people
> think and want to say! By ignorance there is only one way -> DOWN!

Read again: "I don't think we should always..."

In other words, I think we should sometimes listen, but not blindly do
what users ask for. Please read again my email. All of it, not only the
two sentences you chose to quote.

And on an unrelated note: you should always consider whether you want to
go on being part of a group. People change, groups change, you change.
Wondering whether your values still align to those of a group you joined
some time ago is healthy.


-- 
Mathieu