[Ambassadors] The Future of release names

[Jukka Palander]

On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 13:29 -0500, inode0 wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Jukka Palander <jukka at devspain.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 11:58 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 01:39 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> >> > I've put up a wiki page that tries to summarize the answers to the first two
> >> > questions that I've seen circulated on the advisory-board mailing list and a
> >> > link to the only proposal I currently know of (mizmo's proposal to use
> >> > a single theme for all of the new Fedora releases).
> >>
> >> I didn't see a link to the wiki page here or elsewhere in the thread so:
> >>
> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Future_Release_Naming
> >>
> >> If you are interested please add your name to the list so we can move
> >> forward.
> >>
> >> ~m
> >
> >
> > I had a thought on this and I would like to ask _why name them at all_
> > because we already _number_ them?
> 
> We already name them, so why bother numbering them at all? :)


Yes. Completely agree. One (of them) has to go!


> > Fedora Name+number or Fedora number+name sounds like having toast on
> > toast to me. People will use the number anyhow when discussing things
> > around Fedora. Such as "I'm still running Fedora 15" rather than "I'm
> > still running Fedora
> > fancy-name-where-no-one-remembers-what-release-it-was".
> 
> No one is ever going to remember or use the release name as long as
> the Fedora Project on its own website and elsewhere hardly ever
> mentions it while sticking Fedora <insert some meaningless number
> here> in our faces. If we referred to our releases by name so would
> other people.


Why they have to (put them to) remember the "release name" when we have
an _advantage_ for the number to be remembered _automatically_?

Numbers has one very good reason to be in there: By numbering people
will know _immediately_ which one is the latest and newest! By naming
"no-one" remembers how old the release is until checked from the release
history.

In example I could not remember which was and when out from from these:

-Tettnang
-Laughlin
-Constantine
-Moonshire
-Lovelock
-Leonidas

Just put those _QUICKLY_ in the right order without referring into the
page:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/History_of_Fedora_release_names

It is just _soooooooo much_ easier to say that number 14 must be OLD(er)
than 16 and that already is without support.

Fancy names do not do much good and double naming is completely idiotic.


> The release name's purpose is not to be used that way though, it never
> has been intended for that as our website demonstrates. The fact that
> few people refer to the release name when discussing Fedora isn't
> really relevant to whether we should have a release name. It certainly
> wasn't the standard of value used prior to now.


Why the release name is in there then? ..not for the "website
demonstrates" (whatever it means) and not for the discussions (when
people _will_ say the _number_ what they are using or suggesting instead
than _name_) ??? Please tell me why, why?


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I strongly suggest that we should go into our own paths and simply throw
"naming" to the bin. If other distributions (whatever OS) keep their
naming, why should we do the same?
We want to be first and in here we can be first to go out from those
stupid names. We could (and should) simplify things in here as well.

...and by making things simple for the common users; It really is the
Fedora way!

--
Jukka