potential action items from GNOME 3 & F15 drama

[Jaroslav Reznik]

On Monday, December 20, 2010 09:49:29 pm Max Spevack wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > Max Spevack (mspevack at fedoraproject.org) said:
> >> == Giving things the most accurate names possible ==
> >> 
> >> Revisit the (IMHO wrong) decision to not call the "Fedora Desktop" the
> >> "Fedora GNOME Desktop" and correct this naming for F15 and onward.  Do
> >> this in time for F15 Alpha.
> >> 
> >> This is entirely separate from the decision of which spin is featured as
> >> the default Fedora download, and I'm *not* trying to re-start that
> >> conversation.
> > 
> > This has already been discussed/voted on in the Board a couple of
> > times. Are there any new arguments or data points here? (The board is
> > certainly free to discuss/vote again, of course.)
> 
> I think the new data point is *this current situation*.  *IF* Fedora
> wants to highlight is commitment to and close relationship to upstream
> GNOME, especially around GNOME 3's release, then maybe it makes sense to
> call out the GNOME-ishness of the Fedora Desktop by calling it the
> Fedora GNOME Desktop.  This highlights GNOME and builds awareness, and
> it has a positive side effect of (IMHO) giving a more clear and
> consistent naming process to our multiple offerings.

Then let's call it GNU/Linux Fedora Gnome Desktop ;-) On the other hand - Fedora 
Shell for Desktops, Fedora Plasma for Desktops makes sense.

R.

> >> == Wallpaper ==
> >> 
> >> Decide a simple yes or no to the request to make F15's GNOME wallpaper
> >> the same as upstream.  If yes, make it clear that this is a ONE TIME
> >> exception to our normal processes.
> >> 
> >> Similarly, decide that all the other F15 spins will feature a custom
> >> wallpaper as always, and that this will be the plan for *everything*
> >> down the road.
> > 
> > 'custom wallpaper' should probably be explicitly defined, as it can be
> > read to mean different things (especially if there are desktops with
> > *no* default artwork.)
> 
> What I mean is "any deviation from the standard practices of the Fedora
> Design Team related to GNOME and F15 is limited only to F15, and only to
> F15's GNOME spin."
> 
> >> == Marketing & PR opportunity ==
> >> 
> >> GNOME 3 and F15 is an opportunity to create some mutual wins.
> > 
> > ... snip ...
> > 
> >> NOTE THAT THE ABOVE DOES NOT PREVENT FEDORA FROM DOING VERY SIMILAR
> >> THINGS WHEN NEW VERSIONS OF OTHER DESKTOPS ARE RELEASED.  IT IS NOT A
> >> ZERO SUM GAME.
> > 
> > ... well, resources *are* sort of zero sum. Especially given the
> > current state of spins (if someone shows up to maintain, help, etc. we
> > ship them, if they don't, we don't), I don't think it makes sense to
> > commit to this as something we'd do for arbitrary desktops. Now, if we
> > change the policies around spins, it may make more sense.
> 
> I completely agree that resources ARE a zero-sum game.
> 
> What I meant by the statement above is that if you think about the
> *opportunity* presented around F15 and GNOME 3, there is nothing
> administrative or governance related that could prevent a future version
> of Fedora from similarly highlighting a major new release of some other
> high-profile piece of software.
> 
> --Max
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