Fedora Plasma Product, feedback please

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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik at redhat.com> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik at redhat.com> wrote:
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter at math.unl.edu> wrote:
>> >> > The KDE SIG would like public comment and feedback on a new Fedora.next
>> >> > product proposal:
>> >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Plasma_Product
>> >> >
>> >> > mostly on the base proposal, Governance and PRD bits.  Other stuff like
>> >> > Technical spec are still undergoing polish.
>> >>
>> >> I went from pretty excited initially to a bit disappointed that the
>> >> PRD seems to mostly be snipped from the Workstation PRD. I was hoping
>> >> for something with a more original vision I guess. So my first comment
>> >> really is meant to encourage the Fedora Plasma Product to create more
>> >> separation between itself and the Workstation Product. Two products
>> >> with a very similar vision I suspect will be a hard sell generally.
>> >
>> > ...
>> >
>> > There's reason why it should be - in some sort, we want to be as close
>> > to Workstation as possible but to target different audience.
>>
>> I really did not notice anything about the stated audience that made
>> me think it was fundamentally different from the Workstation audience.
>>
>> Plasma Case 5 maps more or less to Workstation Cases 2-4 (various
>> sorts of developers).
>> Plasma Case 2 maps more or less to Workstation Case 1 (students).
>
> Our aim is on educational/scientific/engineering product. So the first
> two cases is what I'd insist on (even it has some overlap with WS).
>
> For fifth use case you're right but I was overvoted in WG.
>
>> While scientists and content creators are listed cases the wording
>> suggests that power users and developers are the core audience of the
>> Plasma Product.
>
> It should not, could you give us guidance how we can make sure the
> first two uses cases are the most important?

>From the section Other users I get the strong impression that power
users and developers are who this product is aimed at.

"While the power user desktop is the main target of this system and
what we try to design this for, we do of course also welcome other
users to the Fedora Plasma product."

That plainly says in the PRD that Case 4 is the main target although
it is later contradicted somewhat by

"We will welcome feedback and request from all our users and try to
accommodate it as long as it doesn't negatively impact our developer
target group and we have people available who have the time and
ability to work on the requests."

>> It isn't easy for me to see these two target descriptions as not
>> overlapping for the most part. Maybe someone can add some explanation
>> here so I can understand the differences you see in the audiences.
>
> Any hints to make it more clear welcomed.
>
> One important part we're now working on are Plasma Activities for
> different use case - it should be similar to Server Roles and it
> would help that differentiation within the product much more visible
> but not in PRD. I hope we would be able to present this soon to
> the broader community. I really like this idea and it's really that
> point you're asking. I hope you'll like it :).

That sounds very interesting.

John