Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3
Moreshwar Salpekar
moreshwars at hotmail.com
Sat Nov 13 14:53:15 UTC 2004
I do not know where to get FC 3 I am able to lay hands on FC2 only lay idea
where to get Fedora 3 CDs (In India). If I could lay hands on that I will
install FC 3.
Thanks for help
Regards
Moreshwar
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> 1. Serial ATA Supprt (Moreshwar Salpekar)
> 2. FC3 desktop can`t log out or reboot (Kaspars)
> 3. Re: Serial ATA Supprt (Arturo)
> 4. Re: Professionalism (Kyrre Ness Sjobak)
> 5. Re: Serial ATA Supprt (Alex Catullo)
> 6. Re: FC3 desktop can`t log out or reboot (Jon Orris)
> 7. Re: "Professionalism" (Matthew Miller)
> 8. Re: Professionalism (Alex Catullo)
> 9. Re: Professionalism (Jason Knight)
> 10. Re: "Professinalism" syntax (Wally Wilson)
> 11. Re: Professionalism (Arturo)
> 12. Re: "Professinalism" syntax (seth vidal)
> 13. Re: Professionalism (Matthew Miller)
> 14. Re: Professionalism (Dave Jones)
> 15. Re: Professionalism (Arturo)
> 16. Re: Professionalism (Douglas Furlong)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:00:25 +0530
> From: "Moreshwar Salpekar" <moreshwars at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Serial ATA Supprt
> To: <fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com>
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>
> Dear All,
> I am new to this group. I just got a PC with motherboard Intel 915GAV. It
> has two Serial ATA Hard disks one of 120GB with WinXP and other 80GB I
want
> to use for Fedora. I want to know what core of Fedore I should go for. I
got
> Fedora Core 1 but it is unable to detect my hard drives. Will Fedora Core
2
> Help?
> I read somewhere that Linux Kernel 2.6.x supports Serial ATA but Fedora
docs
> mention nowhere on Serial ATA support is it there in fedora? If not where
do
> I get Serial ATA driver? I looked at Seagate site (both my hard drives are
> Seagate) but nothing there on Serial ATA driver for Linux?
>
> I want to install Fedora asap.
>
> Regards
> Moreshwar
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:15:58 +0200
> From: Kaspars <kaspars at os.lv>
> Subject: FC3 desktop can`t log out or reboot
> To: fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <41939E4E.2070105 at os.lv>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I get FC3 DVD diska and installed fresh FC3 on my desktop wrk.
> I boot in GUI and log in. My problem is that I can`t log out or reboot
> or halt computer from GUI from desktop... i use defalt desktop what it
> use. I updated all but still problem how i see is not corrected(maybe it
> is only my pc problem).
> So what I do is in FC3(I think def. I use Gnome), I want to reboot pc
> and I go Action -> Log Out -> Chek "Restart the computer" and push Ok.
> and it hangs. The some is with "Log out" or "Shut down"... I need to go
> to console bu ctrl+alt+F1 and log in as root and command to reboot.
> How and where to fix it? And I only have satch problem?
>
> thanks all,
>
> Casper
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:51:36 +0000
> From: Arturo <dalive at flashmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Serial ATA Supprt
> To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
> <fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <4193A6A8.405 at flashmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Moreshwar Salpekar wrote:
>
> >Dear All,
> >I am new to this group. I just got a PC with motherboard Intel 915GAV. It
> >has two Serial ATA Hard disks one of 120GB with WinXP and other 80GB I
want
> >to use for Fedora. I want to know what core of Fedore I should go for. I
got
> >Fedora Core 1 but it is unable to detect my hard drives. Will Fedora Core
2
> >Help?
> >I read somewhere that Linux Kernel 2.6.x supports Serial ATA but Fedora
docs
> >mention nowhere on Serial ATA support is it there in fedora? If not where
do
> >I get Serial ATA driver? I looked at Seagate site (both my hard drives
are
> >Seagate) but nothing there on Serial ATA driver for Linux?
> >
> >I want to install Fedora asap.
> >
> >Regards
> >Moreshwar
> >
> >
> >
> I am no guru. But I have an SATA HDD in my Linux server. And I built it
> from scratch (components) . My motherboard also has an SATA port, I
> installed FC2 without a hitch. I didn't try FC1 on that setup.
>
> BTW.....any reason why you're not installing FC3?
>
> Peace
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:08:39 +0100
> From: Kyrre Ness Sjobak <kyrre at solution-forge.net>
> Subject: Re: Professionalism
> To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
> <fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1100196519.2683.3.camel at kyrre>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> tor, 11.11.2004 kl. 16.08 skrev seth vidal:
> > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 14:58 +0000, chapmanccc at juno.com wrote:
> > > To the developers,
> > >
> > > The Linux operating system is maturing and we all hope that it will be
> > > a major contender in the home and business markets. As it approaches
> > > this goal, the customer base changes. Linux is no longer the "geek
> > > OS" it once was. Where once the predominant profile of a Linux user
> > > was a young male, you now find fathers and husbands (I am both), women
> > > (I am married to one) and children (I have three). Linux is my main
> > > OS at home and my wife and oldest child also use it.
> > >
> > > With this evolution, a level of professionalism must also take place.
> > > Being that the Fedora project is one of the leading consumer Linux
> > > distributions, I would hope the developers would want to 'lead the
> > > pack' in this area.
> > >
> > > This brings me to my point. I was rather disappointed with the
> > > content in the "WebCollage" and "Barcode" screensavers. These
> > > screensavers have since been manually removed from my system, but I
> > > would have preferred them not to be installed by default. When I
> > > install Mac OS or Windows, garbage like this is not included. Why?
> > > Because the developers strive to build a professional product. Yes, I
> > > can install items like this with Mac OS or Windows, but I would need
> > > to download or purchase them after installing the OS.
> > >
> > > Developers, please be considerate when creating the Fedora
> > > distributions and let's strive to make Linux as professional as
> > > possible.
> >
> > I agree, We should have more professional behavior. And since most
> > professionals are adults and know that world is filled with all sorts of
> > things that _you_ may not like but that others may, I think we should
> > respect the differences between people and let adults choose what
> > behavior of their screensavers they want. Therefore, I recommend
> > screensaver preferences! In EVERY DESKTOP! The ability to choose a
> > screensaver must be included in the distribution to put a stop to this
> > anti-professional degradation.
> >
> >
> > oh.. wait.. they're already there.
> >
> > hmm.
> >
> > -sv
> >
>
> Yes they are. But imagine removing those on every damn user profile
> in... lets say a school.
>
> What really should be done, is split the screensaverpackage in three
> rpms (at least) - "xscreensaver-safe", "xcsreensaver-gl", and
> "xscreensaver-others". At least the two first should be installed by
> default. The reason to split it, is that the gl package can then be
> removed safely from systems where it is not wanted. Simply beckause they
> suck CPU, and on non-hw-3d deployments, you migth not want them.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:20:30 -0500
> From: Alex Catullo <freelance0 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Serial ATA Supprt
> To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
> <fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <6dc131f204111110201af49795 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Fedora core 2 and 3 should both detect SATA. If you still have trouble
> with it, in the BIOS menu, go to the "advanced" tab and look at the
> IDE configuration. By default, the IDE settings are set to "enhanced"
> Switch that to "legacy" and make sure SATA 0 and IDE pri and sec are
> active.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:00:25 +0530, Moreshwar Salpekar
> <moreshwars at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear All,
> > I am new to this group. I just got a PC with motherboard Intel 915GAV.
It
> > has two Serial ATA Hard disks one of 120GB with WinXP and other 80GB I
want
> > to use for Fedora. I want to know what core of Fedore I should go for. I
got
> > Fedora Core 1 but it is unable to detect my hard drives. Will Fedora
Core 2
> > Help?
> > I read somewhere that Linux Kernel 2.6.x supports Serial ATA but Fedora
docs
> > mention nowhere on Serial ATA support is it there in fedora? If not
where do
> > I get Serial ATA driver? I looked at Seagate site (both my hard drives
are
> > Seagate) but nothing there on Serial ATA driver for Linux?
> >
> > I want to install Fedora asap.
> >
> > Regards
> > Moreshwar
> >
> > --
> > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list
> > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com
> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:31:16 -0500
> From: Jon Orris <jorris at redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: FC3 desktop can`t log out or reboot
> To: fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <1100197876.3855.3.camel at web.checkm8.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 19:15 +0200, Kaspars wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I get FC3 DVD diska and installed fresh FC3 on my desktop wrk.
> > I boot in GUI and log in. My problem is that I can`t log out or reboot
> > or halt computer from GUI from desktop... i use defalt desktop what it
> > use. I updated all but still problem how i see is not corrected(maybe it
> > is only my pc problem).
> > So what I do is in FC3(I think def. I use Gnome), I want to reboot pc
> > and I go Action -> Log Out -> Chek "Restart the computer" and push Ok.
> > and it hangs. The some is with "Log out" or "Shut down"... I need to go
> > to console bu ctrl+alt+F1 and log in as root and command to reboot.
> > How and where to fix it? And I only have satch problem?
> >
> > thanks all,
>
> >From your description, it sounds like this bug that I reported:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134265
>
> The current workaround is to disable DRI, at least on my machine.
>
> It may be helpful in tracking the root cause if you append your hardware
> & xconfig info to the bug report.
>
>
> --
> Jon Orris <jorris at redhat.com>
> Red Hat
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:35:56 -0500
> From: Matthew Miller <mattdm at mattdm.org>
> Subject: Re: "Professionalism"
> To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
> <fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <20041111183556.GB30285 at jadzia.bu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:49:59AM -0500, Dave Jones wrote:
> > At OLS last year (I think during Erik Troan's talk on conary), whilst
> > taking questions, barcode kicked in. On a ~10ft projector, with the
> > word 'flatulence'.
>
> That's one of the words that's patched out, actually.
>
> Hmm; on looking, the "sanitize-hacks" patch wasn't in FC2; it's new to
FC3.
> Perhaps right after the incident you mention. :)
>
>
> --
> Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org <http://www.mattdm.org/>
> Boston University Linux ------> <http://linux.bu.edu/>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:06:46 -0500
> From: Alex Catullo <freelance0 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Professionalism
> To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
> <fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <6dc131f20411111106640f5e9f at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Professionalism in linux is definitely a nice thing, but if you want
> it, go out and get a copy of enterprise Linux. In Fedora, it's all
> about the bleeding edge technology and newest ideas from the
> community, and being "professional" limits that quite a bit. At least
> in fedora ther'es the freedom for the creative things like the
> "unprofessional" barcode and flying toasters screensavers. That's what
> it's all about, the freedom to add any ideas; and that's why Fedora
> isn't "professional"
>
> "I was rather disappointed with the content in the "WebCollage" and
> "Barcode" screensavers. These screensavers have since been manually
> removed from my system, but I would have preferred them not to be
> installed by default. When I install Mac OS or Windows, garbage like
> this is not included. Why?"
>
> Because this is Linux. Linux is meant to be that quirky OS that
> releives the boredom of stock operating systems like windows. If you
> want to be professional, use RHEL. But in Fedora, we strive to endorse
> new ideas, regardless of their "professionality"
>
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:08:39 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak
> <kyrre at solution-forge.net> wrote:
> > tor, 11.11.2004 kl. 16.08 skrev seth vidal:
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 14:58 +0000, chapmanccc at juno.com wrote:
> > > > To the developers,
> > > >
> > > > The Linux operating system is maturing and we all hope that it will
be
> > > > a major contender in the home and business markets. As it
approaches
> > > > this goal, the customer base changes. Linux is no longer the "geek
> > > > OS" it once was. Where once the predominant profile of a Linux user
> > > > was a young male, you now find fathers and husbands (I am both),
women
> > > > (I am married to one) and children (I have three). Linux is my main
> > > > OS at home and my wife and oldest child also use it.
> > > >
> > > > With this evolution, a level of professionalism must also take
place.
> > > > Being that the Fedora project is one of the leading consumer Linux
> > > > distributions, I would hope the developers would want to 'lead the
> > > > pack' in this area.
> > > >
> > > > This brings me to my point. I was rather disappointed with the
> > > > content in the "WebCollage" and "Barcode" screensavers. These
> > > > screensavers have since been manually removed from my system, but I
> > > > would have preferred them not to be installed by default. When I
> > > > install Mac OS or Windows, garbage like this is not included. Why?
> > > > Because the developers strive to build a professional product. Yes,
I
> > > > can install items like this with Mac OS or Windows, but I would need
> > > > to download or purchase them after installing the OS.
> > > >
> > > > Developers, please be considerate when creating the Fedora
> > > > distributions and let's strive to make Linux as professional as
> > > > possible.
> > >
> > > I agree, We should have more professional behavior. And since most
> > > professionals are adults and know that world is filled with all sorts
of
> > > things that _you_ may not like but that others may, I think we should
> > > respect the differences between people and let adults choose what
> > > behavior of their screensavers they want. Therefore, I recommend
> > > screensaver preferences! In EVERY DESKTOP! The ability to choose a
> > > screensaver must be included in the distribution to put a stop to this
> > > anti-professional degradation.
> > >
> > >
> > > oh.. wait.. they're already there.
> > >
> > > hmm.
> > >
> > > -sv
> > >
> >
> > Yes they are. But imagine removing those on every damn user profile
> > in... lets say a school.
> >
> > What really should be done, is split the screensaverpackage in three
> > rpms (at least) - "xscreensaver-safe", "xcsreensaver-gl", and
> > "xscreensaver-others". At least the two first should be installed by
> > default. The reason to split it, is that the gl package can then be
> > removed safely from systems where it is not wanted. Simply beckause they
> > suck CPU, and on non-hw-3d deployments, you migth not want them.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list
> > Fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com
> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:31:27 -0500
> From: Jason Knight <jason at cassiopaea.com>
> Subject: Re: Professionalism
> To: Alex Catullo <freelance0 at gmail.com>, Discussions about development
> for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <4193DA2F.5090409 at cassiopaea.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> I understand both sides of the coin but I agree with Alex. Also;
>
> [And since most professionals are adults and know that world is filled
> with all sorts of things that _you_ may not like but that others may[...]]
>
> This works both ways, Fedora is a project meant to encourage creativity
> and contribution. It makes no claims to being "The Safest Linux for Your
> Kids!", "Squeamish? Worry not dear fellow, we strive daily to insure
> that you and your family are completely insolated from the peckidillos
> and quirks of others!"
>
> "We either accept all freedom for all people, or we accept no freedom
> for anyone. The happy medium is an illusion."
>
> Of course, Fedora is RH's project, and it is steered by a committee, so
> we must abide by their decsions, but I don't see even mildly-moderately
> offensive screensavers being a huge issue in an Open Source, community
> driven project where creative innovation is desired. Let's try to keep a
> light heart!
>
>
>
> -ishikawa
>
>
> Alex Catullo wrote:
>
> >Professionalism in linux is definitely a nice thing, but if you want
> >it, go out and get a copy of enterprise Linux. In Fedora, it's all
> >about the bleeding edge technology and newest ideas from the
> >community, and being "professional" limits that quite a bit. At least
> >in fedora ther'es the freedom for the creative things like the
> >"unprofessional" barcode and flying toasters screensavers. That's what
> >it's all about, the freedom to add any ideas; and that's why Fedora
> >isn't "professional"
> >
> > "I was rather disappointed with the content in the "WebCollage" and
> >"Barcode" screensavers. These screensavers have since been manually
> >removed from my system, but I would have preferred them not to be
> >installed by default. When I install Mac OS or Windows, garbage like
> >this is not included. Why?"
> >
> >Because this is Linux. Linux is meant to be that quirky OS that
> >releives the boredom of stock operating systems like windows. If you
> >want to be professional, use RHEL. But in Fedora, we strive to endorse
> >new ideas, regardless of their "professionality"
> >
> >On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:08:39 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak
> ><kyrre at solution-forge.net> wrote:
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:28:51 -0800
> From: Wally Wilson <alt.wally at mousemeadows.com>
> Subject: Re: "Professinalism" syntax
> To: fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <1100212131.2230.10.camel at Laptron4020.attbi.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
>
> On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:49 -0500, Dave Jones wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:34:40AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> >
> > At OLS last year (I think during Erik Troan's talk on conary), whilst
> > taking questions, barcode kicked in. On a ~10ft projector, with the
> > word 'flatulence'.
> >
> > Unfortunate and somewhat embarressing perhaps, but highly amusing.
> >
> > The choice of words barcode uses do seem to be of this nature a lot
> > of the time, so I can sort of see the OPs point.
>
> I'm all for professionalism but I'm MORE for acting like an adult and
> realizing the world isn't all roses and tea.
> -sv
> --------------------------------
>
> The real issue -- the issue that the original author failed to address
> -- is not about "professionalism" at all. The real issue is about
> personal mores and taste.
>
> Words mean things, and the Fedora package is every bit as "professional"
> as any other Linux distro.
>
> If someone does not like, or want something as simple as a screen saver,
> for whatever reasons, it is their choice and their responsibility to
> address the matter on each machine they administer. The same argument
> could be made for including games in the distro when it is used in a
> work environment that does not allow games.
>
> The responsibility for administering a system lies with the owner, not
> the software manufacturer. MS has made good money trying to remove the
> responsibility of system admin from its userbase, and that is not how
> the real world works.
>
> -wally
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:06:40 +0000
> From: Arturo <dalive at flashmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Professionalism
> To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
> <fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <4193FE90.3090402 at flashmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
>
> >tor, 11.11.2004 kl. 16.08 skrev seth vidal:
> >
> >
> >>On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 14:58 +0000, chapmanccc at juno.com wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>To the developers,
> >>>
> >>>The Linux operating system is maturing and we all hope that it will be
> >>>a major contender in the home and business markets. As it approaches
> >>>this goal, the customer base changes. Linux is no longer the "geek
> >>>OS" it once was. Where once the predominant profile of a Linux user
> >>>was a young male, you now find fathers and husbands (I am both), women
> >>>(I am married to one) and children (I have three). Linux is my main
> >>>OS at home and my wife and oldest child also use it.
> >>>
> >>>With this evolution, a level of professionalism must also take place.
> >>>Being that the Fedora project is one of the leading consumer Linux
> >>>distributions, I would hope the developers would want to 'lead the
> >>>pack' in this area.
> >>>
> >>>This brings me to my point. I was rather disappointed with the
> >>>content in the "WebCollage" and "Barcode" screensavers. These
> >>>screensavers have since been manually removed from my system, but I
> >>>would have preferred them not to be installed by default. When I
> >>>install Mac OS or Windows, garbage like this is not included. Why?
> >>>Because the developers strive to build a professional product. Yes, I
> >>>can install items like this with Mac OS or Windows, but I would need
> >>>to download or purchase them after installing the OS.
> >>>
> >>>Developers, please be considerate when creating the Fedora
> >>>distributions and let's strive to make Linux as professional as
> >>>possible.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I agree, We should have more professional behavior. And since most
> >>professionals are adults and know that world is filled with all sorts of
> >>things that _you_ may not like but that others may, I think we should
> >>respect the differences between people and let adults choose what
> >>behavior of their screensavers they want. Therefore, I recommend
> >>screensaver preferences! In EVERY DESKTOP! The ability to choose a
> >>screensaver must be included in the distribution to put a stop to this
> >>anti-professional degradation.
> >>
> >>
> >>oh.. wait.. they're already there.
> >>
> >>hmm.
> >>
> >>-sv
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Yes they are. But imagine removing those on every damn user profile
> >in... lets say a school.
> >
> >What really should be done, is split the screensaverpackage in three
> >rpms (at least) - "xscreensaver-safe", "xcsreensaver-gl", and
> >"xscreensaver-others". At least the two first should be installed by
> >default. The reason to split it, is that the gl package can then be
> >removed safely from systems where it is not wanted. Simply beckause they
> >suck CPU, and on non-hw-3d deployments, you migth not want them.
> >
> >
> >
> This is the most constructive suggestion I've seen on the list so far in
> response to this issue, and so I second it.. I am however, somwhat
> curious as to what offensive words popped-up in Barcode.
>
> Peace
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:21:50 -0500
> From: seth vidal <skvidal at phy.duke.edu>
> Subject: Re: "Professinalism" syntax
> To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
> <fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1100218910.6926.10.camel at binkley>
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>
> >
> > Words mean things, and the Fedora package is every bit as "professional"
> > as any other Linux distro.
>
>
> actually, it's not, it is explicitly a hobbyist distro.
>
> see the website.
>
> -sv
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:31:45 -0500
> From: Matthew Miller <mattdm at mattdm.org>
> Subject: Re: Professionalism
> To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
> <fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <20041112003145.GA9755 at jadzia.bu.edu>
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>
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 12:06:40AM +0000, Arturo wrote:
> > This is the most constructive suggestion I've seen on the list so far in
> > response to this issue, and so I second it.. I am however, somwhat
> > curious as to what offensive words popped-up in Barcode.
>
> Here's the list from FC3 (take that, Bayesian filters...):
>
> abdomen
> abeyance
> abhorrence
> abrasion
> abstraction
> acid
> addiction
> alertness
> Algeria
> anxiety
> aorta
> argyle socks
> attrition
> axis of evil
> bamboo
> bangle
> bankruptcy
> baptism
> beer
> bellicosity
> bells
> belly
> bliss
> bogosity
> booty
> bread
> bubba
> burrito
> California
> capybara
> cardinality
> caribou
> carnage
> children
> chocolate
> CLONE
> constriction
> contrition
> cop
> corpse
> cowboy
> crabapple
> craziness
> cthulhu
> Death
> decepticon
> deception
> Decker
> decoder
> decoy
> defenestration
> democracy
> dependency
> despair
> desperation
> disease
> disease
> doberman
> DOOM
> dreams
> dreams
> drugs
> easy
> ebony
> election
> eloquence
> emergency
> eureka
> excommunication
> fat
> fatherland
> Faust
> fear
> fever
> filth
> fluff
> fnord
> freedom
> fruit
> fruit
> futility
> gerbils
> GOD
> goggles
> goobers
> gorilla
> halibut
> handmaid
> happiness
> hate
> helplessness
> hermaphrodite
> heroine
> hope
> hysteria
> icepick
> identity
> ignorance
> importance
> individuality
> inkling
> insurrection
> intoxicant
> ire
> irritant
> jade
> jaundice
> Joyce
> kidney stone
> kitchenette
> kiwi
> lathe
> lattice
> lawyer
> lemming
> liquidation
> lobbyist
> love
> lozenge
> magazine
> magnesium
> malfunction
> marmot
> marshmallow
> merit
> merkin
> mescaline
> milk
> mischief
> mistrust
> money
> monkey
> monkeybutter
> nationalism
> nature
> neuron
> noise
> nomenclature
> nutria
> OBEY
> ocelot
> offspring
> overseer
> pain
> pajamas
> passenger
> passion
> Passover
> peace
> penance
> persimmon
> petticoat
> pharmacist
> PhD
> pitchfork
> plague
> Poindexter
> politician
> pony
> presidency
> prison
> prophecy
> Prozac
> punishment
> punk rock
> punk
> quagmire
> quarantine
> quartz
> rabies
> radish
> rage
> readout
> reality
> reject
> rejection
> respect
> revolution
> roadrunner
> rule
> savor
> scab
> scalar
> Scandinavia
> schadenfreude
> security
> sediment
> self worth
> sickness
> silicone
> slack
> slander
> slavery
> sledgehammer
> smegma
> smelly socks
> sorrow
> space program
> stamen
> standardization
> stench
> subculture
> subversion
> suffering
> surrender
> surveillance
> synthesis
> television
> tenant
> tendril
> terror
> terrorism
> terrorist
> the impossible
> the unknown
> toast
> topography
> truism
> turgid
> underbrush
> underling
> unguent
> unusual
> uplink
> urge
> valor
> variance
> vaudeville
> vector
> vegetarian
> venom
> verifiability
> victim
> vignette
> villainy
> W.A.S.T.E.
> wagon
> waiver
> warehouse
> waste
> waveform
> whiffle ball
> whorl
> windmill
> words
> worm
> worship
> worship
> Xanax
> Xerxes
> Xhosa
> xylophone
> yellow
> yesterday
> your nose
> Zanzibar
> zeal
> zebra
> zest
> zinc
>
>
> --
> Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org <http://www.mattdm.org/>
> Boston University Linux ------> <http://linux.bu.edu/>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:38:33 -0500
> From: Dave Jones <davej at redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Professionalism
> To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
> <fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <20041112003833.GB5988 at redhat.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 07:31:45PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 12:06:40AM +0000, Arturo wrote:
> > > This is the most constructive suggestion I've seen on the list so far
in
> > > response to this issue, and so I second it.. I am however, somwhat
> > > curious as to what offensive words popped-up in Barcode.
> >
> > Here's the list from FC3 (take that, Bayesian filters...):
>
> It's certainly an insight into that developers head 8-)
>
> Monkeybutter indeed.. *shakes head*
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:51:47 +0000
> From: Arturo <dalive at flashmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Professionalism
> To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
> <fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <41940923.60902 at flashmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Dave Jones wrote:
>
> >On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 07:31:45PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 12:06:40AM +0000, Arturo wrote:
> > > > This is the most constructive suggestion I've seen on the list so
far in
> > > > response to this issue, and so I second it.. I am however, somwhat
> > > > curious as to what offensive words popped-up in Barcode.
> > >
> > > Here's the list from FC3 (take that, Bayesian filters...):
> >
> >It's certainly an insight into that developers head 8-)
> >
> >
> And what have you learnt, pray tell
>
> >Monkeybutter indeed.. *shakes head*
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:55:44 +0000
> From: Douglas Furlong <douglas.furlong at firebox.com>
> Subject: Re: Professionalism
> To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
> <fedora-desktop-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1100253344.3313.95.camel at douglas-furlong.firebox.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 00:51 +0000, Arturo wrote:
> > Dave Jones wrote:
> >
> > >On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 07:31:45PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 12:06:40AM +0000, Arturo wrote:
> > > > > This is the most constructive suggestion I've seen on the list so
far in
> > > > > response to this issue, and so I second it.. I am however, somwhat
> > > > > curious as to what offensive words popped-up in Barcode.
> > > >
> > > > Here's the list from FC3 (take that, Bayesian filters...):
> > >
> > >It's certainly an insight into that developers head 8-)
> > >
> > >
> > And what have you learnt, pray tell
> >
> If nothing else it has kept me highly ammused.
>
> However, I am not entirely sure how "Abdomen" is an offencive word, or
> unprofessional for that matter :)
>
>
> --
> Douglas Furlong
> Systems Administrator
> Firebox.com
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