Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

[Adam Williamson]

On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 08:58 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On lau 14.des 2013 02:06, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 00:44 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >> On fös 13.des 2013 20:42, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >>
> > So, let's rewind a bit and look at things. The main reason we have a
> > divergence is due to space on the live images.
> 
> An restrain that the sub-community's they themselves bestowed upon it.
> 
> As far as I know they have been free to decide their own size for quite 
> sometime.

Sure. What's the relevance of that? I'm not doing a post mortem here,
I'm trying to make things better in future.

> > Perhaps the simple thing to do going forward is bump KDE and GNOME to
> > 2GB max sizes,
> 
> I would say that would be the wrong approach since as soon as you start 
> limited things to sizes you start compromising the desktop experience 
> you intent for the end user which is one of the underlying cause that 
> has been giving this half finished feeling with our default desktop.

Fine, then call it DVD size, call it whatever. Point is, make it so we
don't have to trim the lives for size.

"2GB ought to be enough for anyone" - adamw, 2013

> >   ostensibly one that's CD sized and one that's
> > larger-than-CD-sized
> 
> It's nonsense to ship two sized images ( as well as having multiple ks 
> files in general for DE's ) for the same desktop environment

We never did *ship* two images, I don't think, but at some point someone
saw value in having kickstarts that would *produce* images of two
different sizes. I don't see that we need that now, and clearly no-one
is maintaining it.

>  and we 
> already have sub-communities ( xfce/lxde for example ) which advertise 
> themselves being less resources hungry and smaller ( which would cater 
> to the cd-sized image crowd ).
> 
> > anyhow, desktop and KDE teams: what do you think of this idea?
> 
> There are more desktop environments that we ship in the distribution 
> then KDE and Gnome and more likely that more will be packaged then not.

But we only block releases on KDE and GNOME; we don't really have this
problem with any other desktops either, I don't think any of the others
have significantly different package sets between live and DVD.
-- 
Adam Williamson
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