Live image / DVD package set merge

[Matthias Clasen]

On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 09:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:

> 
> Matthias, I was going to say something similar to Michael: I can take
> your point in theory, but in practice it's difficult to see how you can
> possibly achieve the goal of a full GNOME environment in 1GB. Even with
> all the potential change on the table with the fedora.next stuff, I
> don't see that there's enough fat to cut to be able to say confidently
> that we'll be able to deliver what we want as the coherent GNOME
> experience inside of 1GB for the foreseeable future.
> 
> Look at the significant stuff that's cut from the current live:
> 
> %packages
> # reduce the office suite in size
> -planner
> -libreoffice-xsltfilter
> -libreoffice-pyuno
> -libreoffice-emailmerge
> -libreoffice-math
> 
> # remove some other applications
> -gnome-boxes
> -gnome-dictionary
> 
> # Dictionaries are big
> # we're going to try keeping hunspell-* after notting, davidz, and ajax
> voiced
> # strong preference to giving it a go on #fedora-desktop.
> # also see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/681084
> -aspell-*
> -man-pages*
> -words
> 
> # Help and art and fonts can be big, too
> -evolution-help
> -desktop-backgrounds-basic
> -*backgrounds-extras
> -stix-fonts
> 
> # These things are cut purely for space reasons
> -aisleriot
> -brasero
> -brasero-nautilus
> -bijiben
> -gnome-system-log
> -deja-dup
> -eog
> -gnu-free-mono-fonts
> -gnu-free-sans-fonts
> -gnu-free-serif-fonts
> -uboot-tools
> -dtc
> 
> especially that last section, those are things the desktop team clearly
> wants in the Proper Experience, as they're in the GNOME desktop comps
> group (most of them). They're being cut "purely for space reasons". At
> bare minimum, it seems like you'd somehow need to cut enough space from
> the 'deliverable' (whatever it winds up being, with fedora.next) both to
> get all those things back in, and to account for future bloat, or else
> we'll be stuck on the'try and find some space to save in a raging hurry
> every milestone' train.

Again, what I was trying (poorly) to describe is not so much about size
or bloat, but about conceptual clarity - you install the OS as a unit,
but applications are separate from it and can be installed, played with,
removed, separately.