Underlying DE for the Fedora Workstation product

[Dan Mashal]

On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alexander GS <alxgrtnstrngl at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 12:08 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> The GNOME we're trying to build has its own vision, and it's trying to
>> become its own well-defined product: The number-one free software
>> operating system.
>
> Not it's not. This means that they have a single dedicated desktop
> experience and that the community is allowed to use those components but
> there isn't a formal mechanism to standardize to a common core.  It also
> excludes any potential requirements for a separate desktop environment
> for commercial vendors. If you actually read my Proposal you would
> realize that.
>
> I have worked out a compromise that works for GNOME 3, GNOME 2 and the
> Gnome community projects.  It's called the GNOME Meta-Desktop.
>
> PROPOSAL
>
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>
> GNOME Meta-Desktop
>
> Problem
>
> For some time now, Linux has been evolving beyond the idea of the
> "single" desktop platform. This is not Windows where each platform is
> bolted down to a single desktop interface design. Unfortunately projects
> like GNOME have been slow to adapt. GNOME's focus on a single dedicated
> desktop interface design has caused the Linux desktop space to fragment
> causing divisions and frictions between the various communities. This
> has also deprived commercial Linux platforms the ability to shape
> desktops that fit strict requirements demanded by their target markets.
>
> Currently and unofficially GNOME is evolving into a meta-desktop with
> GNOME Shell, Cinnamon and MATE the resultant outputs of this evolution.
> This brings along with it several problems such as fragmentation and
> redundancies. The GNOME meta-desktop needs to be standardized, needs
> community collaboration and needs GNOME in-house desktop products to
> drive it forward.
>
> https://wiki.gnome.org/AlexGS/GnomeMetaDesktop
>
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>
> Pursuant to this proposal being accepted and implemented the following
> will occur:
>
> - The Fedora Workstation product will feature GNOME 3 as it's official
> default and GNOME 2 will always be bundled with GNOME 3 on Workstation
> installations and on install images.  Installations and install disks
> that do not contain both GNOME 3 and GNOME 2 cannot be considered Fedora
> Workstation.  This requirement remains indefinitely.
>
> - GNOME 2 will be the default for RHEL and CentOS. Users will have the
> option of installing GNOME 3 as well. They will have to add special
> repositories to do this.
>
> - Community desktops based on GNOME re-spins like MATE or forks like
> Cinnamon in addition to non-GNOME desktops like KDE and will be
> "supported" desktops but NOT included by default on Fedora Workstation
> installation.


You're saying to include Gnome 2 instead of MATE? That is definitely
NOT going to work.

Gnome 2 is obsoleted. It has no support for systemd/logind, newer
versions of upower, etc. etc. and nobody is going to spend the time to
code it. It just wouldn't work.

MATE on the other hand does.

I do like the proposal in general, it was along the lines of the
"choose your own adventure" approach I  was proposing, but exactly how
would you plan on getting it accepted?


Dan