What next?

[seth vidal]

> > 
> > Nice of y'all to allow yourself longer release cycles while denying it
> > to fedora community developers.
> 
> Not fair--see below.

My dad used to say something about things not being fair....


> Seth, you've actually answered your own question.  Based on what I have
> seen inside of Red Hat, 6 months is a release cycle that matches well
> the challenge of the problem with the nature and resources of the
> present community.

*boggle*
Where are you getting this?


>   Even with the surprise 7 day delay, FC4 is great, as
> was FC3 vs. the targets we all set. 


For fedora CORE maybe - but there is Fedora Extras and there's A LOT of
infrastructure work to keep fedora from being completely manually
managed.


>  I even think that your suggestion
> of a one-time-for-now 9 month cycle could make sense. 


good.

>  But the stuff that's required to hit an 18 month target is just Night And Day
> different.


I wasn't recommending an 18 month target, I was saying that I thought
lengthening the fc devel cycle would help us get some things done that
we just haven't had the time to do.


>   It may look easy--copying and criticizing the decisions we
> make is pretty easy stuff compared to sorting out the initial plan and
> keeping enough of the contingencies viable that the release is relevant
> by the time it sees daylight.  I'm not saying that Red Hat is the only
> one trying to make these guesses and trying to following them through to
> their logical conclusion--there are companies and community efforts
> alike that try this stuff every day.  But I am saying that it's a
> sufficiently difficult and resource-intensive task that it's Just Not
> Fair to suggest that simple goal-setting will lead to simple goal
> attainment.  Running a marathon is hard, but running up up Mt. Everest
> is a different ballgame, and pretending it's not is reckless.

You're damn right. So I guess you can understand why I'm a bit pissed at
being talked down to  by you when I sat in a meeting 3 months ago about
the fedora extras buildsystem process and I was the only one who
volunteered to work on it. Why? B/c everyone else was too busy. Hell, I
was too busy, too but I wanted it to happen and it appeared that was the
only way it was GOING to happen.

Someone else set the objectives and I met them.

So get down off your high horse about "copying and criticizing". I don't
when, exactly, I get to stop paying dues but I think it needs to be
soon.

-sv