[HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

[drago01]

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Jon Masters <jonathan at jonmasters.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 20:35 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Colin Walters wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath at redhat.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I think the bigger question is why are we doing this?
>> >
>> > There's some motivation here:
>> > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html
>> >
>>
>> I was pretty clear in everything you cut off about the whole "You know
>> what people need, they need this" and the whole developers making things
>> for sysadmins because they think sysadmins need it thing.  0pointer.de is
>> Lennart's post.  If this is only being developed and driven by the same
>> people perhaps we should just step back, get it functioning for a while,
>> _then_ lets talk about replacements.  If you guys feel that strongly about
>> it, you'll still feel that way a year from now when the whole system is
>> developed and working right?  Perhaps then it can go into Fedora?
>>
>> This should probably say "systemd for F16"
>
> +1 FWIW. I'm not a huge sysv fanboi either, but I do care about the
> experience of sysadmins and the upstream for other projects, and I would
> like to see some soak time for this before everyone needs to switch. I
> can otherwise just imagine the amount of documentation out there -
> books, online resources, etc. that will all be out of date for Fedora
> (and perhaps other projects later) but not for other distributions.

FWIW this is the reason why upstart pretty much ended being a renamed
sysvinit without offering any benefits because people are afraid of
change.
The books won't magically be rewritten in time for F16 (people aren't
even using systemd so why write / update books) ?

Isn't it one of Fedora's missions to innovate and lead and not stay in
the past forever because people are afraid of change?

(Note: I am not addressing a particular change here; but people's
resistance against *any* changes=).