[HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

Chris Adams cmadams at hiwaay.net
Thu Jul 22 12:29:25 UTC 2010


Once upon a time, Stephen John Smoogen <smooge at gmail.com> said:
> If this is how you normally deal with problems, I am beginning to
> understand why pulseaudio has had such a bad reputation. A) You read
> everything that matt said as a personal attack of trying to find deep
> fault and then you go off in a temper tantrum. None of that is going
> to make things easier and pretty much sets this whole project up as a
> big FAIL because the people who have to buy into it as it affects them
> the most are now all lumped in as whiners.

This is a part of my dissatisfaction with systemd.  We're told that this
new all-powerful tool will make everything better, and we'd better like
it, just the way pulseaudio was "introduced".  At least with PA, you
could remove it, but with systemd, there's really no going back.

I guess part of it is that I don't see what's so great about merging
init and inetd.  Some of the features of systemd sound nice, but I'm not
sure they're worth the rest of the "fun" of a major switch like this.

I'm not exactly happy with Lennart's development "style" (for lack of a
better word).  I can't get a PC speaker beep out of an xterm (so now I
have to have sound configured and speakers just to get a terminal bell),
and Lennart's response to that was just that the PC speaker should go
away anyway.  Even with speakers, I could only get one bell per second,
which Lennart finally fixed, but only in rawhide (because he doesn't
like to backport patches).

-- 
Chris Adams <cmadams at hiwaay.net>
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.


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