The behaviour of systemctl.
martin at martindengler.com
Sun Jun 19 17:43:46 UTC 2011
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 12:54:38PM +0200, Aaron Sowry wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:03:05AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote:
> > Your point about column headers is taken (explicitly, in my mail) and
> > bears no more repeating since there's a bug about it.
> I didn't realise there was a bug for this, which is it?
You alluded to RH #713567 in , so I assumed that bug had this point
in it. Re-reading it, it does.
> > Your point about paging continues to be that you don't like it for the
> > purist reason that unix-y tools shouldn't format their output.
> This is not just purism for purism's sake.
You said tools paging their tty-destined output "irked the crap"
out of you and didn't otherwise disagree that other tools do this (and
other things) based on tty-ness. I'm not sure I was wrong to read
that as a purist's lament given the additional code is trivial in
> I think the point is being lost here somewhere.
> [original paging-takes-code point]
> [new points objecting to paging]
The original point and new points you just applied to the irkesome
behaviour are simply not compelling: that 50+ lines of pager-related C
is somehow a fearsome vector for terrible bugs and must be excised or
that the year-old chosen defaults for a new command can be changed
with flags somehow impose a crippling learning curve. Especially,
given (like I said) the precedents and utility of the defaults (which
you didn't argue with).
2. You said you disputed the utility of paging-by-default, which is
the behaviour I praised, and that I missed your dispute as to its
utility in , but, no, actually, you gave no reasons why it
wasn't useful in . You just said it irked you, had a real
danger of scary bugs, and had a bug when no pager was present,
none of which are arguments for uselessness.
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