Systemd conversion versus updates in back Fedora branches

Toshio Kuratomi a.badger at
Mon Oct 24 17:02:13 UTC 2011

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 09:48:47AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> drago01 <drago01 at> writes:
> > 2011/10/24 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" <johannbg at>:
> >> On 10/24/2011 05:42 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> >>> FWIW, what the tomcat6 maintainers did is that they just ignored the
> >>> guideline which says that you cannot migrate to systemd in an update and
> >>> pushed this update:
> >> Unless FESCO granted them exception this update might be pulled back
> >> atleast that was the case with mdadm [1] if I can recall correctly.
> > If it works this might not be a good idea, going back and forth just
> > causes more pain for users.
> FWIW, I'm totally on board with the idea of not switching to systemd in
> F15 --- and even if I wanted to do that, it's pure luck that the problem
> doesn't apply to F14->F15 upgrades as well, where such an option is
> certainly not available.  The reason F14 escapes the problem is that
> we went to a new mysql major release series in F15, something that
> happens maybe once every three years or so.  (The last-minute upgrade to
> postgresql 9.1.x in F16 is likewise the only reason why I'm not bitching
> about this with respect to postgresql too.  And I suspect a whole lot of
> other packagers are up against similar issues, or will be if they take
> back-branch maintenance seriously.)
> What I want is a packaging guideline that doesn't simply blow off
> the problem of upgrading packages in pre-systemd branches.  It's not
> an acceptable restriction, and I'm astonished that anybody ever thought
> it would be.
I know that you commented on Ville's proposal.  Have you tried it?  Does it
work for you?  You could look at finishing it off as a draft and putting it
onto the Packaging Committee's agenda.

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