slowing down the development schedule for a release.

[Dennis Gilmore]

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On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 07:37:10 -0400
Josh Boyer <jwboyer at fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Dennis Gilmore <dennis at ausil.us>
> wrote:
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> > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:37:44 -0400
> > Matthew Miller <mattdm at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:09:03PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> >> > > Without spinning the wheel of blame -- at Flock, we talked
> >> > > about slowing down the crazy train a little bit, probably not
> >> > > for F20 at this point but for F21, specifically so we all have
> >> > > a chance to work on those kind of things.
> >> > Why not F20?  FESCo perpetuated the "we don't have a schedule
> >> > yet so
> >>
> >> Um, I asked Dennis and he said it was too late for that to be
> >> useful. So there's that. :)
> >
> > we have already started so many of the release processes that it is
> > really hard to stop and postpone things.  not impossible, just makes
> > things very difficult. We started on the tasks for fedora 20 about a
> > week after f19 was done due to the schedule that was setup.
> 
> As far as I know, we've done a mass rebuild and we've branched.  FESCo
> has closed the Changes.  Beyond that, I don't know what else has
> actually started.  Can you elaborate?

Physically it can be done, now that we have branched it means we would
have two development strains for awhile or we have a pain point
somewhere. biggest issue is that FESCo set an expectation that a
release will happen this year. all the hand waviness around dates
doesn't relate to reality.  Again my thoughts may be wrong but I don't
think so.

> Also, while there might be many tasks started, I don't really remember
> them having strict time windows.  Pushing out all the dates starting
> today seems feasible to me.  Clearly it can be done, because we keep
> slipping every release and we still have releases.

not having strict time windows is a new thing. Setting a date sets an
expectation. There is big pain for all with slipping. 

Dennis
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