Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 02/05/2013 09:24 AM, Jef Spaleta wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203 at freenet.de> wrote:
>> Absolutely no.
>>
>> My points are:
>>
>> * The Gnome3-suite will never fit everybody, i.e. trying to push/force it
>> onto all users will never work and is not helpful to the Fedora community.
>>
>> * Gnome3 is (ab-) using Fedora as Gnome3 test-bed. This already has caused a
>> considerable damage to Fedora (and RH).
>
> These are different points than the you previously listed. I fear you
> are severely conflating issues.
Not quite.

  You never heard sentences like:
* "What you can cope with Fedora? Is the GUI still this unusable beta crap?"
  I did (Usually from Ubuntu users), and am not happy having to hear this.

* "Thanks CentOS6 came out, Gnome3 and the stuff underneath are too much 
of a hazzle to continue with Fedora" (Often heared from 
IT-professionals, who switched to Fedora from RHL).


> You feel gnome3 doesn't fit everybody... i doubt anyone is going to
> argue against that point. But that has nothing to do with instability
> or fast release cycles or not having enough stuff in the distro.

Sigh, let me try again: The Fedora project is pushing away Fedora users 
from Fedora, because Fedora/RH have missed that it's "new DE" (Gnome3) 
is addressing a different audience than Gnome2 did.

The Gnome3 audience is not the classical Fedora user base (Linux devs), 
it's the Android/iOS adicted "wipe/tile kidz".

I.e. if Fedora wants to keep their "old user-base" you need to offer 
them alternatives, and not to be stubborn on Gnome 3 for whatever reasons.

>>> -jef"the real solution to all these problems is openCDE, which I look
>>> forward to proposing as default in the F20 cycle"spaleta
>>
>>
>> Yes, though you might have ment this as joke. I am sure there are people,
>> who would support such and endeavor ;)
>
> My proposal is as funny as turning to Cinnamon as the default
> environment. I leave it up to the reader to decide if either was
> intended in a joking manner.

Agreed, as I wrote earlier on in this thread, to me, Cinnamon is not 
sufficiently away from Gnome3 to justify switching. OK with me, if other 
people want to use it, but do NOT FORCE me to use either!


Ralf