F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam at redhat.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 09:17 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
>> > I'm afraid I can't agree. I like the simplicity of the model you're
>> > proposing, but from a practical point of view, there is still a commonly
>> > held perception that there is a 'product' called Fedora which is
>> > basically composed of what you get if you go to get.fedoraproject.org,
>> > download one of the things we push at you there, and install it.
>> > Practically speaking, I believe we have to QA that 'thing called Fedora'
>> > as a whole. I don't think your model quite matches what people perceive
>> > Fedora to be.
>>
>> What's your definition of what people perceive Fedora to be?
>
> "What do we talk about when we talk about Fedora?" :)
>
> Well, we just did a major release. Go look on news.google.com for
> "Fedora 19", or search for "Fedora 19 review", or just poke through a
> few popular tech sites and forums.
>
> What do people do when they want to 'try Fedora 19'? They download the
> primary image on the download page, which is the desktop live, and run
> it. This is what they've _always_ done.

Hmm I wouldn't be surprised if we had more Fedora users running on
cloud instances now than we do on the desktop but there's no way to
tell really.

> Do you ever see anyone doing a minimal install and commenting on the
> package loadout? Commenting on the actual interesting and difficult
> technical changes that are what a distribution really does? No, they run
> the live image for a couple of days, decide whether they think the
> desktop background looks nice, say whether they liked the installer, and
> bash GNOME 3 for a while.

Or they run it in the cloud where it mostly just works and they don't
give a hoot about a 10 year support cycle because their spun up image
in some cases barely last 10 days and get on with their job and don't
say a thing :-P

> If we're really, really lucky they'll mention there are some other spins
> available. In passing. Without ever downloading one. And that's about
> it.

Agree!