F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

["Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"]

On 07/17/2013 12:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:21:39AM +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>> On 07/17/2013 12:58 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote:
>>> You still have not addressed the third party programs and scripts
>>> that monitor /var/log/messages
>> We honestly cant keep progress and cleanup in the distribution back
>> out of fear of breaking some third party programs.
> Irrespective of whether journald is good or bad, this is a dumb
> argument.

Dumb I see so you have established a time frame for us how long we 
should  hold back progress  in the project and or you have devised an 
implementation plan on features and cleanups with a rate that a third 
party can keep up with in the distribution, maybe even chosen which 
third parties we wait for and which we dont?

You think it's good for the community to be dependent on third party I 
dont since think we should first and foremost be thinking about 
ourselves and our community not some third party of the interweb or even 
a downstream distribution to us like like RHEL.

We as a community need to be able to set the pace for ourselves and the 
fact is unless you are closed source the best thing you can do as a 
third party is actually participate in the Fedoraproject, packaging you 
software or application stack and ship it within the distribution so 
that our existing processes will catch any fallout which our features or 
cleanups might bring and allow for the community to actually fix it with 
your or for you.

JBG