Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation
jwboyer at fedoraproject.org
Tue Nov 5 01:26:34 UTC 2013
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Nicolas Mailhot
<nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net> wrote:
> Le Lun 4 novembre 2013 20:15, Josh Boyer a écrit :
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh at redhat.com>
>>>> And, by the way, we've been supporting this kind of model with pip
>>>> and gem already, so I really don't get why all the fuss when
>>>> suddenly we want to do it with the desktop applications.
>>> Please don't use pip and gem as "positive" examples... they have a
>>> habit of conflicting with the installed system that is an additional
>>> problem we may hope to solve with this.
>> It's worth pointing out that they're positive examples to the
>> developers using them. They want to work on their applications and
>> not have to fight against the distro's versions. And those developers
>> are particularly the ones being targeted with containerized apps. So
>> equating the two in a positive light probably isn't a bad idea. Those
>> developers care about their apps. They don't care about the distros.
> … till they have a customer that forces them to reinvent the deployment
> processes distros standardised.
> The problem is not to get code in the hands of developers. You don't need
> distros for that. The problem is to get the code to end-users and
> developers spend more time fighting the constrains it involves than trying
> to understand this problem-space.
> Of course the aim might not be to reach end users but to push code from
> developpers to other developpers. Let's stop pretending doing products
> then. Be honest and admit you want a demo scene.
I want a stable base platform (aka the OS) that allows for people to
use it for development of interesting things (aka applications). I
want that same platform to be usable by people to install interesting
things and us them. I don't see a contradiction here that would force
one or the other, nor do I see how it reduces the product to a demo
If you want to reduce everything to absolutes, be my guest. It will
get you a rock solid, well crafted distro that reaches a certain set
of people. I'm interested in reaching more than just that set of
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