hidden GRUB menu -> Re: Suspension problem last 2 days

drago01 drago01 at gmail.com
Sun Sep 22 16:00:42 UTC 2013

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:
> Am 22.09.2013 17:36, schrieb drago01:
>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:
>>> Am 22.09.2013 02:52, schrieb Ed Greshko:
>>>> On 09/22/13 08:39, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>>>>> Ed Greshko wrote:
>>>>>>> I've been having a problem on my Thinkpad T61 for the last 2 days.
>>>>>>> In fact since "yum update" installed kernel-PAE-3.11.1-200.fc19.i686,
>>>>>>> though that is probably a coincidence.
>>>>>> Would it be possible to boot into the previous kernel to verify if it is a
>>>>>> coincidence?
>>>>> I'm afraid I'm not sure how to do that.
>>>>> I'd be happy to try if someone could suggest the way.
>>>> When you boot your system, don't you have a menu to select up to 3 kernels?
>>> and that is why i cried on @devel about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as default
>> Err you know that we do *not* hide the grub menu in F19?
> no - because i do not care about Fedora defaults in many cases for my machines

You seem to care enough to write mails about it.

>> If anything you have just proven that just because the menu is shown
>> people will not automatically know what the options there mean.
> no - it is proven that even if it is there it's hard to understand
> hide it does not make this better

Showing an option that people do not understand does not solve anything.

>> So can you stop "crying about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as(by)
>> default" now?
> no, simply because if it is hard to move the cursor down in a
> already displayed menu for some users you can be sure that they
> never have a chance to learn about the existing older kernel
> by hide it

You should not have to learn what a kernel is to be able to use your computer.
I am pretty sure you disagree here but we should just agree to
disagree instead of having a useless "discussion".

> if the affected machine is their only one they also have
> no chance to ask for help and are lost
> P.S.:
> do not give thunderbird a negative karma because some extension
> is not updated / rebuilt, file a bugreport for the extension!

OT but no. If an update introduces broken deps it should not be pushed
until they are resolved.
Giving negative karma here is common practice.

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