Are we still translating things?

[David Woodhouse]

On Wed, 2014-08-13 at 17:32 -0400, Andrew Schultz wrote:
> David Woodhouse wrote:
> > Because I misunderstood and thought that the trans@ list might actually
> > be somewhere that people should post to for one-off advice and
> > assistance (or to point out broken links on the web page), without
> > wanting to subscribe and take a daily interest in l10n matters.
> 
> While that seems like a good idea and I have sometimes wanted something 
> like that myself, I think people on the list are much more likely to 
> respond if they know the original person will see the response.  From 
> experience, I see people posting to such more "open" lists and saying 
> "I'm not subscribed.  Please send replies to my email address", which is 
> not the way things should work.

That's kind of an orthogonal issue. Although I absolutely agree that
it's not the way things should work. 

You should never need to *tell* people to keep you in Cc when they
reply. In an ideal world, nobody would ever be so rude and unhelpful as
to *remove* you from Cc. So you shouldn't need to *tell* them not to.

(cf. http://david.woodhou.se/reply-to-list.html )

> Limiting posting to subscribers probably also reduces spam (or at least 
> the need for spam moderation).

I can understand having a lower threshold for rejecting mail from
non-subscribers. (Or, more usefully perhaps, for sender addresses which
aren't known in the Fedora account system.) But rejecting them outright
seems to be excessive.


The message in question had an extremely low SA score, and the points it
*did* have were because of missing rDNS on a Fedora relay machine
(67.203.2.69) not the original submission.

It doesn't seem to make sense to reject a valid S/MIME-signed, non-HTML
mail, with a very low SA score, from a known Fedora contributor, just
because I don't happen to be subscribed to the list. Perhaps some
tweaking of the filters could be helpful here, to take some of these
'common sense' criteria into account when deciding whether to accept the
mail or not.

FWIW I run a bunch of mailing lists which are open for non-subscribers
to post, and don't seem to have much of a spam problem.


-- 
dwmw2
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