Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

[Reindl Harald]

Am 29.12.2014 um 01:19 schrieb Peter Hutterer:
> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 09:42:07PM +0100, Alec Leamas wrote:
>> On 28/12/14 18:05, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>>> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Alec Leamas <leamas.alec at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Possibly. But isn't there quite a difference between the "novice user"
>>>> and the Fedora Workstation target user i. e., developers?
>>>
>>> Not necessarily. I wrote:
>>>
>>> "Yes, Workstation targets developers, but not exclusively, and also
>>> developers who use fancy IDEs and who don't work with the terminal. I
>>> just don't want this thread to degenerate into a discussion of this
>>> lousy definition [of normal/novice users], since it's not important.
>>> What's important is that we want Workstation to be excellent for users
>>> who never touch the terminal."
>>
>>
>> Hm... developers which never touches the terminal?! Seems like a really
>> narrow group (?)
>
> it's not as narrow as you may think, developers may use the terminal
> selectively for some tasks and the GUI exclusively for others. That subset
> isn't the same for all developers, so you end up having to provide all
> features working well in the GUI.

exactly!

but not hide terminal apps and pretend nobody should have a need to use 
them these day

> e.g. I hardly ever use nautilus to handle fils, but I also hardly ever use
> the terminal for any configuration, connecting to networks, firewall stuff,
> etc. etc. I hardly ever use it to start non-terminal apps except for
> eog/evince.
>
> so even though I use the terminal heavily, I still would count myself in the
> above group and I definitely need a good GUI around my terminals. And,
> I want my desktop to be simple and get out of the way of what I actually
> want to do.

exactly!

but that completly different to "a user should not need to know what a 
terminal is or find terminal apps in the software center even if he 
knows them by name for good reasons"

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