Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

[Alec Leamas]

On 29/12/14 10:50, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On 29 December 2014 at 03:28, Stephen John Smoogen <smooge at gmail.com> wrote:
>> we either are going to have to get out of the way of the
>> steamroller or get rolled over it.

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> Linux isn't UNIX. The desktop doesn't revolve about command line tools
> anymore. If you can't accept that, you probably need to change
> industry. Sorry to be blunt.

2014-12-28 21:38 GMT+02:00 Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro at gnome.org>:

> What's important is that we want Workstation to be excellent for users who
> never touch the terminal.

Great. But what if the design decisions based on this leads to a system 
which becomes needlessly complicated for other users, which also uses 
CLI tools?

Frankly, I think it's easier to alienate current devs (some of which 
using CLI tools) than to attract new ones. So, pushing this goal too 
hard might have consequences.

 > On 28/12/14 10:50, Richard Hughes wrote:
>> on 28 December 2014 at 00:23, Alexander Ploumistos
> <alex.ploumistos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Should Fedora build another program as a package manager?
>
> GNOME PackageKit is still available (and maintained upstream) and is
> what I use for installing things like mingw packages that I need for
> development.

This certainly works, but is it really a reasonable trade-off  in a 
developer context where things like compilers and interpreters are part 
of the very core? What role does Gnome Software play here? How fruitful 
is the idea to hide packages in this context?

Note that I have full respect for your goals. I use Gnome myself, and I 
didn't find 3.0 to painful :) It's just that I don't really see how the 
priorities for Gnome Software aligns with developer realities (while 
they make perfect sense for other types of users)

That said, everything is fine if the Fedora Workstation target user is a 
developer just using GUI tools. But I don't see this in the PRD.

Cheers!

--alec