Plan for tomorrow's irc-support-sig meeting (2010-08-26)

[warren]

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Hello,

I'm not sure I'll be able to or if I'm required to attend this meeting 
at 16:00UTC/09:00PST. But I've written my
feelings and ideas below pertaining to the topic(s) outlined by Nirik 
(Kevin).

I've been with the Fedora Project from the day the door opened. I used 
to help daily with
either howtos, direct channel help or providing resources. After 
prolonged feelings of frustration and helplessness
and feeling there was little I could do anymore to help, I've been 
fairly inactive in #fedora channels. While I've
certainly not been a model member of the community at times, I have 
thought a lot about why this is and discussed it
privately with a few of the people named below and others.

These are a few things I've noticed in these past 5 or so years...

Being an operator to me means simply that you have control over your 
irrational self and your emotions,
that you've developed the skills to not take things personally, view 
situations from an objective perspective
and act with fairness and an unbiased personal attitude consistently.

Being an operator gives a person a certain power, which most will end up 
abusing in some way. Being an operator comes with a responsibility and, 
in my opinion, is not for "honorary" or similar purposes. Being an 
operator should *require* regular active participation, management and 
discussions on improvement, delegation/completion of tasks, progress 
reports on current projects. Power for the sake of having power seems a 
frivolous trinket to me.

My personal list of those I have seen truly have what it takes to be an 
operator anywhere:
anvil, zcat, nirik, mharris, jef (spoleeba), che, damaestro, kanarip, 
ivazquez, mutk, sonar_guy

If I've excluded someone I've either forgotten them (as I went by 
memory) or they don't meet the above criteria.
I don't have anything against anyone involved with or visiting the 
channel(s), this includes khaystus and thomasj who seem to have personal 
vendettas against me. That being said, all operators have valid ideas 
and opinions as well which should always be considered by the group.

#fedora -
In this channel I see that on-topic chatter should be enforced fairly 
regularly
and with the least amount of noise as possible to accomplish the goals 
below.
In fairness to all there should also be a set amount of acceptable 
"noobism" before it's sent elsewhere for a while.

To help end users:

1. Become more responsible user (teach a man to fish)
2. Address technical issues in a logical and sane process
3. Help them file bug reports
4. Help them become more involved in the community

#fedora-social -
the only "rules" that seem to be necessary are ones pertaining to spam, 
or otherwise
making the channel unusable. discussing *any* topic should not be off 
topic or banned.
everyone has some ideas or many that are going to be received by someone 
negatively,
this is simply unavoidable. the only logical course of action is the use 
of personal /ignore
lists when we are that annoyed by someone (excluding ops, as they do no 
have this luxury).
However, Freenode guidelines should also be followed.

1. All off topic material in #fedora
2. Philosophical discussion
3. Ranting, complaining, venting (including topics which may be 
offensive to some).
4. Personal/public "how's it going" chatting

Operator proposal:

1. Review the current operator list define a list of duties, goals, etc 
for operators and fill them.
2. Have an easily accessible/viewable list that outlines each operator 
and their duties or contribution(s)
3. Have weekly/bi-weekly logged meetings regarding projects, solutions, 
proposals, duties, etc
4. Periodic collective reviews of channel bans, problem users, operator 
duties, etc

- -Warren (opsec/zodiac)

Kevin Fenzi wrote:
| Here's what I have for an agenda for tomorrow's meeting, which will be
| held at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net.
|
| Feel free to reply to this with additional topics, or bring them up in
| the "open floor" section of the meeting.
|
| #topic Week in review
| http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
| #topic should we add any new ops now?
| #topic how should new ops be nominated?
| #topic we need a rule about how long an op can be inactive
| #topic thomasj be removed from op status because of his inactivity
| #topic all #fedora ops be removed from op status in #fedora-social
| #topic SIG lead be elected and have a set term
| #topic fcami nomination
| #topic opsec nomination
| #topic trac instance setup
| #topic Open Floor
|
| kevin
|
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