robyn.bergeron at gmail.com
Thu May 6 17:50:51 UTC 2010
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt> wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 09:45 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
>> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt> wrote:
>> > Dear all,
>> > Something came up the other day in the trans_PT lists and I'm pushing a
>> > FAD in Portugal forward.
>> > Some minor details are to be found here:
>> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PtFAD
>> > Currently there is no date assigned because our national community is so
>> > small that we're trying to select a date where everyone can be present.
>> > Once we have the date we're going to place it also on the Event page and
>> > follow the normal guidelines for this.
>> > Our goals with this FAD is to provide a self-assessment of the Project
>> > Fedora in Portugal and it's contributors/user base.
>> I think this is a good idea; I'd just like to point out, from at least
>> my own personal experience, that it will be helpful for you to add
>> more specific deliverables to your agenda, rather than a general
>> "self-assessment." Even if those deliverables look something like:
> If I was aware of the current problems of the community, I could for
> sure be more specific. But I am not, so I need to understand the
> problems for a later plan to fix them and eventually fill in the gaps.
> There is so much to cover, that a single day will not be enough. This is
> a first approach to try and understand everything around us (portuguese
> contributors). So that later we can segment the information and deal
> with it accordingly.
> Segmenting the information now, will probably do far worst than good.
> Most of it will be around translations, as it will be our "trojan horse"
> to start officializing the community.
>> * Hour 1-2: Define the specific items we are going to assess
>> * Hours 3-6: Wiki each of these items with detail on where each of
>> these specific criteria currently fall on a success scale
>> etc. Whatever seems logical. It's too easy to spend an entire day
>> thinking about a giant document of self-assessment and then not
>> getting anything accomplished. If you break it up into individual
>> pieces - and by time - I think you are more likely to produce results.
> This is good and we will split it into schedule later on, but this is
> being treated in another list and it's just like a "heads-up".
>> IMO - The most important thing here to think about is - what are you
>> going to do with the information you get from self-assessment? I would
>> recommend that you add some time into the schedule for the following:
>> * Where are you now (which is the self-assessment)
>> * Where do you want to be (and what are the criteria for success there)
>> * What are your steps and milestones to get from where you are now -
>> to where you want to be in the future
>> * How are you planning on checking / updating the status of your progress
> Everything will be placed on the wiki and treated after. It would not be
> realistic to identify the problems and plan in such few time, specially
> when there is no bound between us at the moment.
> After the event we should have accomplished at least this:
> * Number of contributors in Volume and Valor.
> * Areas where we are present.
> * Problems that lead people away or why they don't join.
> * Portuguese Language availability and its importance.
> * We have to get 1 or 2 volunteers for Ambassadors, this is a must, else
> we will be heavily crippled since the very start. We need EMEA present
> if possible to help on this.
> This has to be done and wiki'ed for everyone to see.
> >From this point on, we should be able to present an answer for at least
> the following:
> * How we can interact with ourselfs across the project (imagine for
> example a fedora-portugal at lists.fedoraproject.org). Since we are so few,
> this is something that can make all the difference and provide us a way
> to keep people mobilized and help newcomers around. I recognize one of
> the problems is having people to mentor/tutor newcomers, and the wiki
> page referal for information, doesn't help. So if we have the
> opportunity, we will try to tutor and help people starting with. Like a
> launching ramp. The would integrate with Fedora International Community
> through an already established Portuguese community that would be more
> user friendly with providing info and helping in a more less formal way,
> without overloading other teams which are on full production process.
> * We have for sure to make sure that pt_PT is properly defined for the
> Portuguese audience. We don't want to neutralize other contributions,
> but if pt_PT will follow the standardized rules used by Portugal. This
> will be a benefict for everyone, because it's a large open door for
> example Angola, which is one of the most growing economies in the World,
> and will enable projects like OLPC in a more effective way, plus
> providing more tools to EMEA and establish new bridges.
> * Through me, possible gather more Marketing contributors, that together
> with the trans_PT can provide more contents in PT.
> * We should be able also to redifine how to approach other FOSS entities
> in Portugal and make Fedora representation more visible.
> I would consider this to be something "doable". Some right out of the
> FAD, other things by processing information on the FAD. I expect to wiki
> a lot on that day.
>> > I'm going to call-in a press release, so there might be journalists
>> > present from national specialized and generic press to cover this event,
>> > including a TV team from SIC Radical (http://sicradical.sapo.pt/) which
>> > is very friendly towards this events and a channel directed to younger
>> > people.
>> How are you planning on using this press time exactly?
> This is a very important thing. First we need to mobilize organizations
> like ANSOL, they love the press, the press loves them. Given the fact
> that we're going to work around pt_PT, this is a point of interest for
> Mobilizing the press. I have some personal contacts I can explore, on a
> local basis, I would give them as granted. This is something that
> happens in a city which leads world technology in some fields, specially
> telecommunications. So we have a link with the city and we do fit well
> At national press, I do have some contacts and can for sure get some
> people there, not sure if they we will have material to go over
> editorial battles. But there is the possibility of references. Being
> ANSOL involved and given the importance of pt_PT goals. There is
> Television - Sic Radical aims for younger generations, for national
> projects of all levels. Technology is something they like, and in the
> past they were present at events like LAN Parties, etc. Given that we
> are doing some heavy ice-breaking work here. I believe I can get their
> attention. Besides, making this event on IPAM and using it's name, will
> for sure pay off. I would recon that pt_PT will be attractive enough for
> For the press release itself, I will work on it with people from my
> school to get something more professional. In fact, within 1 hour or so,
> I will be collecting help.
Let me be a little more precise here: What exactly will you be doing
while, for instance, people from a television crew are taping you?
How are you going to make this to be a Fedora Activity Day - where you
are getting things accomplished - vs. a Press Event where people are
coming to do interviews? Or is your plan to just interact with these
entities to discuss future plans for publicity?
> I will run everything before in this list.
>> > I would like to request the following on this list, specially from EMEA.
>> > * I am not aware of Portuguese current Ambassadors; if there are none, I
>> > would like to check for volunteers during the FAD, as it will become
>> > important to have our own Ambassadors. Therefore, I would like to place
>> > an invitation for EMEA so send in someone who can represent it if that
>> > is possible.
>> > * This event is to be reported to Ambassadors list, when the time comes,
>> > can I contact someone to pass the word on the Ambassadors list? Gerold?
>> > JSimon? Wonderer?
>> > * I would like also to know if there are Ambassadors in Spain located in
>> > Galicia. If so, I would kindly ask someone of EMEA to check availability
>> > on them and address them an invitation as well. Galicia and Portugal are
>> > very close in Language, culture and History. We would like for sure to
>> > work closer to them.
>> > * I would like to place a formal request, and this would be awesome to
>> > be discussed during the FAD, once more it could be relevant to have
>> > someone from EMEA present, so that future Portuguese Ambassadors could
>> > be tutored by EMEA Ambassadors.
>> > * I never got to know how Ambassadors do work, but I would like to let
>> > everyone know that during this FAD we are taking the Ambassadorial work
>> > as very serious thing, and probably as the main critical factor of
>> > success in establishing a community in Portugal, and more important keep
>> > it alive, which is the hard part. So If there is present a Ambassador
>> > from Fedora EMEA, I would request a small presentation about
>> > bidirectional communication. Something in the line of:
>> > Ambassadorial Work:
>> > Represent Fedora before the Community | Represent the Community before
>> > Fedora.
>> > I would recon this would only work if such connections are established
>> > and work in a bidirectional way.
>> > * I would like to remember EMEA, that Portugal leads the PALOP's
>> > organization (Official Portuguese Speaking Countries in Africa). We are
>> > they key for a good part of Africa, and all of them speak and signed all
>> > the Portuguese treaties. The Portuguese teached in Africa is the same
>> > teached in Portugal. This could be relevant, as Africa is a part of
>> > EMEA, and projects like OLPC can be more effective by having a strong
>> > Portuguese presence in the Project.
>> > Once I have feedback from the current Portuguese team, a date will be
>> > set and everyone will be informed in a formal way. I would though
>> > request someone from EMEA to pass on a future email to the Ambassadors
>> > list.
>> > This are some concerns, I would also like to place a request not to
>> > troll this thread, as it's something constructive for the benefit of
>> > all.
>> > Nelson.
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